Difference between revisions of "SN 44.10 Ananda Sutta"
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Then the {{Wiki|wanderer}} [[Vacchagotta]] went to the [[Blessed One]] and, on arrival, exchanged courteous [[greetings]] with him. After an exchange of friendly [[greetings]] & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there he asked the [[Blessed One]]: "Now then, [[Venerable]] [[Gotama]], is there a [[self]]?" | Then the {{Wiki|wanderer}} [[Vacchagotta]] went to the [[Blessed One]] and, on arrival, exchanged courteous [[greetings]] with him. After an exchange of friendly [[greetings]] & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there he asked the [[Blessed One]]: "Now then, [[Venerable]] [[Gotama]], is there a [[self]]?" | ||
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Then, not long after [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} had left, Ven. [[Ananda]] said to the [[Blessed One]], "Why, [[lord]], did the [[Blessed One]] not answer when asked a question by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}}?" | Then, not long after [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} had left, Ven. [[Ananda]] said to the [[Blessed One]], "Why, [[lord]], did the [[Blessed One]] not answer when asked a question by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}}?" | ||
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"[[Ananda]], if I being asked by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} if there is a [[self]] were to answer that there is a [[self]], that would be conforming with those {{Wiki|priests}} & contemplatives who are exponents of {{Wiki|eternalism}} [the [[view]] that there is an [[eternal]], [[unchanging]] [[soul]]). If I being asked by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} if there is [[no self]] were to answer that there is [[no self]], that would be conforming with those {{Wiki|priests}} & contemplatives who are exponents of {{Wiki|annihilationism}} [the [[view]] that [[death]] is the {{Wiki|annihilation}} of [[consciousness]]). If I being asked by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} if there is a [[self]] were to answer that there is a [[self]], would that be in keeping with the [[arising]] of [[knowledge]] that [[all phenomena are not-self]]?" | "[[Ananda]], if I being asked by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} if there is a [[self]] were to answer that there is a [[self]], that would be conforming with those {{Wiki|priests}} & contemplatives who are exponents of {{Wiki|eternalism}} [the [[view]] that there is an [[eternal]], [[unchanging]] [[soul]]). If I being asked by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} if there is [[no self]] were to answer that there is [[no self]], that would be conforming with those {{Wiki|priests}} & contemplatives who are exponents of {{Wiki|annihilationism}} [the [[view]] that [[death]] is the {{Wiki|annihilation}} of [[consciousness]]). If I being asked by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} if there is a [[self]] were to answer that there is a [[self]], would that be in keeping with the [[arising]] of [[knowledge]] that [[all phenomena are not-self]]?" | ||
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"And if I being asked by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} if there is [[no self]] were to answer that there is [[no self]], the bewildered [[Vacchagotta]] would become even more bewildered: 'Does the [[self]] I used to have now not [[exist]]?'" | "And if I being asked by [[Vacchagotta]] the {{Wiki|wanderer}} if there is [[no self]] were to answer that there is [[no self]], the bewildered [[Vacchagotta]] would become even more bewildered: 'Does the [[self]] I used to have now not [[exist]]?'" | ||
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Latest revision as of 19:24, 11 April 2024
Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there he asked the Blessed One: "Now then, Venerable Gotama, is there a self?"
When this was said, the Blessed One was silent.
"Then is there no self?"
A second time, the Blessed One was silent.
Then Vacchagotta the wanderer got up from his seat and left.
Then, not long after Vacchagotta the wanderer had left, Ven. Ananda said to the Blessed One, "Why, lord, did the Blessed One not answer when asked a question by Vacchagotta the wanderer?"
"Ananda, if I being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is a self were to answer that there is a self, that would be conforming with those priests & contemplatives who are exponents of eternalism [the view that there is an eternal, unchanging soul). If I being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self were to answer that there is no self, that would be conforming with those priests & contemplatives who are exponents of annihilationism [the view that death is the annihilation of consciousness). If I being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is a self were to answer that there is a self, would that be in keeping with the arising of knowledge that all phenomena are not-self?"
"No, lord."
"And if I being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self were to answer that there is no self, the bewildered Vacchagotta would become even more bewildered: 'Does the self I used to have now not exist?'"
