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AS WE SAID AT THE beginning, the journey through the [[nine yanas]] is a process of rediscovering oneself. As you move along the [[path]], you have a [[feeling]] of particular locations. You are traveling through a dense [[forest]] or through heavy snow; you are climbing [[mountains]] or crossing fields; you encounter
  
AS WE SAID AT THE beginning, the journey through the nine yanas is a process of rediscovering oneself. As you move along the path, you have a feeling of particular locations. You are traveling through a dense forest or through heavy snow; you are climbing mountains or crossing fields; you encounter
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rainstorms and snowstorms. You have to stop each night to eat and [[sleep]], and so on. All those [[experiences]] make up your journey. In a [[sense]] we could say that the rainstorms are your rainstorms, the snowstorms are your snowstorms, and the dense [[forests]] are your dense [[forests]]. It’s your [[world]]. As you move through the [[nine yanas]], it is yourself that you are rediscovering—more and more clearly.
  
rainstorms and snowstorms. You have to stop each night to eat and sleep, and so on. All those experiences make up your journey. In a sense we could say that the rainstorms are your rainstorms, the snowstorms are your snowstorms, and the dense forests are your dense forests. It’s your world. As you move through the nine yanas, it is yourself that you are rediscovering—more and more clearly.
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At the beginning there is a vague [[idea]] that something is not quite right. There is something wrong with oneself. Things are questionable, and one begins to look into the question, to relate with the [[pain]], the {{Wiki|chaos}} and [[confusion]]. That is the [[hinayana]] level. Then at a certain stage some of the answers that  
  
At the beginning there is a vague idea that something is not quite right. There is something wrong with oneself. Things are questionable, and one begins to look into the question, to relate with the pain, the chaos and confusion. That is the hinayana level. Then at a certain stage some of the answers that
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arise out of the search begin to create further hunger, further {{Wiki|curiosity}}. One’s [[heart]] becomes more and more steeped in the teachings. Then the [[mahayana]] [[experience]] of intense [[dedication]] to the [[path]] begins to take place. [[Dedication]] to the [[path]] in this case also means [[compassion]], a [[loving]] [[attitude]] toward
  
arise out of the search begin to create further hunger, further curiosity. One’s heart becomes more and more steeped in the teachings. Then the mahayana experience of intense dedication to the path begins to take place. Dedication to the path in this case also means compassion, a loving attitude toward
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oneself and others. One begins to find one’s place in the [[universe]], in this [[world]]. Being on the [[bodhisattva path]] is finding one’s place and one’s [[sense]] of [[dedication]] in this [[universe]]. At that point, the [[universe]] is not threatening or irritating anymore. This is true for the very simple [[reason]] that one has developed a style for working with the [[universe]]; [[meditation in action]] has begun to develop.
  
oneself and others. One begins to find one’s place in the universe, in this world. Being on the bodhisattva path is finding one’s place and one’s sense of dedication in this universe. At that point, the universe is not threatening or irritating anymore. This is true for the very simple reason that one has developed a style for working with the universe; meditation in action has begun to develop.
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As you go on then, you rediscover the brand-new [[world]] of [[tantra]]. An enormous surprise takes place. You [[recognize]] the [[magical]] aspect of the [[universe]], which means yourself as well as everything else. You rediscover the redness of [[red]], the blueness of blue, the whiteness of white, and so on. You rediscover the meaning of [[passion]] and the meaning of [[aggression]], their vividness, their aliveness, and also their [[transcendental]] [[quality]]. Rediscovering this new [[world]] is the [[vajrayana path]].
  
As you go on then, you rediscover the brand-new world of tantra. An enormous surprise takes place. You recognize the magical aspect of the universe, which means yourself as well as everything else. You rediscover the redness of red, the blueness of blue, the whiteness of white, and so on. You rediscover the meaning of passion and the meaning of aggression, their vividness, their aliveness, and also their transcendental quality. Rediscovering this new world is the vajrayana path.
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At that point, not only do you realize the meaning of [[pain]] and [[confusion]], and not only do you realize you have a place in the [[world]], but you also develop a [[sense]] of [[dignity]]. In fact, you are the [[emperor of the universe]], the [[king]] of the [[world]]. Your [[sense]] of [[dignity]] is related to the [[experience]] that you have an enormous place in this [[world]]. In fact, you are the maker of the [[world]].
  
At that point, not only do you realize the meaning of pain and confusion, and not only do you realize you have a place in the world, but you also develop a sense of dignity. In fact, you are the emperor of the universe, the king of the world. Your sense of dignity is related to the experience that you have an enormous place in this world. In fact, you are the maker of the world.
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As the [[tantric]] [[experience]] develops through the [[lower tantras]] to the [[higher tantras]], even the notion of being the [[emperor of the universe]] becomes unnecessary. You are the [[universe]]. You have no reference point, none at all. Everything is on the level of complete [[oneness]]. In higher [[tantric]] terms, this is known in [[Tibetan]] as [[kadak]]. Ka is the first [[letter]] of the [[Tibetan alphabet]], dak means [[pure]]. So it means “[[pure]] right at the beginning,” or you might say
  
As the tantric experience develops through the lower tantras to the higher tantras, even the notion of being the emperor of the universe becomes unnecessary. You are the universe. You have no reference point, none at all. Everything is on the level of complete oneness. In higher tantric terms, this is known in Tibetan as kadak. Ka is the first letter of the Tibetan alphabet, dak means pure. So it means “pure right at the beginning,” or you might say
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“alpha [[pure]].” [[Purity]] in this case has nothing to do with the [[relative]] reference point of [[pure]] as opposed to impure. [[Purity]] here has the [[sense]] of being really without comparison to anything, without any [[relative]] reference at all. That seems to be the [[state]] of [[development]] we are working toward. That,  
  
“alpha pure.” Purity in this case has nothing to do with the relative reference point of pure as opposed to impure. Purity here has the sense of being really without comparison to anything, without any relative reference at all. That seems to be the state of development we are working toward. That,
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finally, is the level of the [[maha ati]] teachings, in which there is no reference point, none whatsoever. Therefore, in that [[state]] we find millions of reference points everywhere, which do not conflict with each other. Therefore we become precise and open, very general and very specific at the same time. That is the [[state of enlightenment]], if it can be described at all in words. That’s a sort of finger painting of the [[enlightenment]] [[idea]].
  
finally, is the level of the maha ati teachings, in which there is no reference point, none whatsoever. Therefore, in that state we find millions of reference points everywhere, which do not conflict with each other. Therefore we become precise and open, very general and very specific at the same time. That is the state of enlightenment, if it can be described at all in words. That’s a sort of finger painting of the enlightenment idea.
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The whole journey that we have discussed has its [[roots]] in [[overcoming]] [[spiritual materialism]] to begin with, then developing [[friendship]] toward oneself and others, and finally developing [[vajra pride]], or a [[sense]] of dignity.1 Those three steps are the general guidelines for the [[hinayana]], [[mahayana]], and [[vajrayana]], or [[tantra]]. And those [[experiences]] cannot come about without a [[teacher]] or [[master]] to begin with, on the [[hinayana]] level; a [[spiritual friend]] who [[minds]] one’s business intensely on the [[bodhisattva]] or [[mahayana]] level; or, on the [[vajrayana]] level, a [[vajra master]] or [[vajra guru]], who holds one’s [[life]] strings in his hand.
  
The whole journey that we have discussed has its roots in overcoming spiritual materialism to begin with, then developing friendship toward oneself and others, and finally developing vajra pride, or a sense of dignity.1 Those three steps are the general guidelines for the hinayana, mahayana, and vajrayana, or tantra. And those experiences cannot come about without a teacher or master to begin with, on the hinayana level; a spiritual friend who minds one’s business intensely on the bodhisattva or mahayana level; or, on the vajrayana level, a vajra master or vajra guru, who holds one’s life strings in his hand.
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There is a story about the [[abhisheka]] that the great [[tantric master]] [[Padmasambhava]] received from [[Shri Simha]], the great [[Wikipedia:Sage (sophos|sage]] of [[maha ati]]. [[Shri Simha]] reduced [[Padmasambhava]] to the [[form]] of the [[letter]] [[HUM]]. Then he ate it, he put it in his {{Wiki|mouth}} and swallowed it. And when [[Padmasambhava]] came out the other end of [[Shri Simha]], that completed his [[abhisheka]]. This is an example of the [[action]] of the [[vajra master]]. He is more than a [[teacher]] alone, [[more than a spiritual friend]]. The [[vajra master]] eats you up and shits you out, having completely processed you in his [[vajra body]]. That is the kind of power we’re talking about. Without such a relationship, without this kind of [[communication]], [[vajrayana]] cannot be presented. Without this, one cannot even come near to [[understanding]] it. So relationships with the various levels of [[teacher]] are definitely requirements for progressing on the [[path]].
  
There is a story about the abhisheka that the great tantric master Padmasambhava received from Shri Simha, the great sage of maha ati. Shri Simha reduced Padmasambhava to the form of the letter HUM. Then he ate it, he put it in his mouth and swallowed it. And when Padmasambhava came out the other end of Shri
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Then, of course, there is the [[practice of meditation]], which is another important part of the journey. One must practice [[meditation]] on the [[hinayana]] level in order to develop the basic sanity of relating to one’s [[mind]] as a working basis. The [[satipatthana]] [[methods]] of [[mindfulness]] developed in the [[Theravada tradition]] are very powerful and important.2 The [[methods]] developed in the [[Sarvastivadin]] [[hinayana tradition]] that [[exists]] [[in Tibet]], [[Japan]], and [[China]] are [[identical]].
  
Simha, that completed his abhisheka. This is an example of the action of the vajra master. He is more than a teacher alone, more than a spiritual friend. The vajra master eats you up and shits you out, having completely processed you in his vajra body. That is the kind of power we’re talking about. Without such a relationship, without this kind of communication, vajrayana cannot be presented. Without this, one cannot even come near to understanding it. So relationships with the various levels of teacher are definitely requirements for progressing on the path.
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When I was in [[India]], I discussed [[meditation techniques]] for [[awareness]] practice with a [[Burmese]] [[master]] who was the [[disciple]] of a very great [[Burmese]] [[meditation teacher]]. When I told him about the [[vipashyana meditation]] technique that we used [[in Tibet]], he shook his head and asked me, “When did you go to Burma?”3 So the [[methods]] seem to be [[identical]].
  
Then, of course, there is the practice of meditation, which is another important part of the journey. One must practice meditation on the hinayana level in order to develop the basic sanity of relating to one’s mind as a working basis. The satipatthana methods of mindfulness developed in the Theravada tradition are very powerful and important.2 The methods developed in the Sarvastivadin hinayana tradition that exists in Tibet, Japan, and China are identical.
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It is necessary to begin at the beginning with the [[hinayana]] practice. Without that, we do not develop proper [[sense perception]], so to speak. We have to have good [[eyesight]] and good hearing to read and listen to the teachings. And we have to have a good [[body]] in order to sit and [[meditate]]. Good [[sense perceptions]] here mean [[sense perceptions]] that are no longer distorted. We can have real [[understanding]], no longer distorted by neurosis. That is absolutely necessary; there’s no other way at all, according to [[Buddha]] anyway.
  
When I was in India, I discussed meditation techniques for awareness practice with a Burmese master who was the disciple of a very great Burmese meditation teacher. When I told him about the vipashyana meditation technique that we used in Tibet, he shook his head and asked me, “When did you go to Burma?”3 So the methods seem to be identical.
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Having that solid rock bed for a foundation, that solid, sane, open, fresh ground, you can begin [[to build]], to put up walls. That corresponds to the [[mahayana]] [[discipline]] of the [[six paramitas]] and [[friendliness]] to oneself and others. This gives us a [[sense]] of [[direction]] about how to act as good citizens,
  
It is necessary to begin at the beginning with the hinayana practice. Without that, we do not develop proper sense perception, so to speak. We have to have good eyesight and good hearing to read and listen to the teachings. And we have to have a good body in order to sit and meditate. Good sense perceptions here mean sense perceptions that are no longer distorted. We can have real understanding, no longer distorted by neurosis. That is absolutely necessary; there’s no other way at all, according to Buddha anyway.
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which is the [[bodhisattva path]]. After one has become a good citizen, there is an enormous possibility of becoming a genius. Basic sanity has developed and a proper [[lifestyle]] has been established. There are no hassles, no [[obstacles]] at all. Then you become a genius, which is the [[vajrayana]] level.
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You become a fantastic artist, [[musician]], {{Wiki|sculptor}}, or poet. You begin to see the workings of the [[universe]] in its [[Wikipedia:Absolute (philosophy)|ultimate]], last details. You are such a genius that you see everything completely. That’s the final level.
  
Having that solid rock bed for a foundation, that solid, sane, open, fresh ground, you can begin to build, to put up walls. That corresponds to the mahayana discipline of the six paramitas and friendliness to oneself and others. This gives us a sense of direction about how to act as good citizens,  
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This genius is described as [[jnana]], [[wisdom]]. There are five types of genius, [[five wisdoms]]. There is [[mirrorlike wisdom]], which is clarity. There is the [[wisdom of equality]], which is [[seeing]] everything at once in a panoramic [[vision]]. There is the [[wisdom of discriminating awareness]], which is [[seeing]] details on an
  
which is the bodhisattva path. After one has become a good citizen, there is an enormous possibility of becoming a genius. Basic sanity has developed and a proper lifestyle has been established. There are no hassles, no obstacles at all. Then you become a genius, which is the vajrayana level.
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ultimately precise level. There is the [[wisdom of all-accomplishing action]], in which {{Wiki|speed}} does not have to be included in one’s working situation, but things fall into your pattern. Then there is the [[fifth wisdom]], the [[wisdom of dharmadhatu]], or all-encompassing [[space]], which develops enormous basic sanity and basic [[spaciousness]] in the [[sense]] of [[outer space]] rather than [[space]] that is related to the reference point of any {{Wiki|planet}}. That is the kind of [[cosmic]] level of genius that we find in the [[vajrayana]].
You become a fantastic artist, musician, sculptor, or poet. You begin to see the workings of the universe in its ultimate, last details. You are such a genius that you see everything completely. That’s the final level.
 
  
This genius is described as jnana, wisdom. There are five types of genius, five wisdoms. There is mirrorlike wisdom, which is clarity. There is the wisdom of equality, which is seeing everything at once in a panoramic vision. There is the wisdom of discriminating awareness, which is seeing details on an
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I suppose this seminar cannot be any more than a teaser for you. But at least you should know that millions of great [[people]] have been produced by this [[path]]; and not only have they been produced, but they all say the same thing. They’ve all gone through the same process that is being presented here. And we
  
ultimately precise level. There is the wisdom of all-accomplishing action, in which speed does not have to be included in one’s working situation, but things fall into your pattern. Then there is the fifth wisdom, the wisdom of dharmadhatu, or all-encompassing space, which develops enormous basic sanity and basic spaciousness in the sense of outer space rather than space that is related to the reference point of any planet. That is the kind of cosmic level of genius that we find in the vajrayana.
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are not excluded from the possibility of becoming one of them. According to the [[Buddha]], one out of every four [[people]] in the [[sangha]] becomes [[enlightened]].
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What we have done very roughly in this seminar has been to give a complete description of the [[path]] from the beginning stages to [[enlightenment]]. I {{Wiki|hope}} you
  
I suppose this seminar cannot be any more than a teaser for you. But at least you should know that millions of great people have been produced by this path; and not only have they been produced, but they all say the same thing. They’ve all gone through the same process that is being presented here. And we  
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will have a [[sense]] of [[aspiration]] and [[feel]] [[joyful]] about what we discussed. The other possibility is that you might [[feel]] {{Wiki|depressed}}, because you have heard about so many possibilities and good things, but none of them seem to apply to you. Well, okay, be that way—and use your {{Wiki|depression}} as [[realization]] of the [[truth of suffering]]. Then you will have accomplished the first step already. Or if you are inspired, then [[buddha]] {{Wiki|fever}}, the {{Wiki|fever}} of [[buddha nature]], has already possessed you. So let it be that way. It seems that whatever we do, we can’t go wrong.
  
are not excluded from the possibility of becoming one of them. According to the Buddha, one out of every four people in the sangha becomes enlightened.
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[[Student]]: I have a question about inspiration or [[motivation]]. It seems that in the [[hinayana]], the [[motivation]] is [[suffering]]. In [[mahayana]] at some point this is [[transformed]] into [[compassion]], so that one continues because one has a [[sense]] of working, not for oneself, but for all [[beings]]. But, going beyond that, I don’t understand the [[motivation]] or inspiration for [[vajrayana]]. Why would one go further?
What we have done very roughly in this seminar has been to give a complete description of the path from the beginning stages to enlightenment. I hope you
 
  
will have a sense of aspiration and feel joyful about what we discussed. The other possibility is that you might feel depressed, because you have heard about so many possibilities and good things, but none of them seem to apply to you. Well, okay, be that way—and use your depression as realization of the truth of suffering. Then you will have accomplished the first step already. Or if you are inspired, then buddha fever, the fever of buddha nature, has already possessed you. So let it be that way. It seems that whatever we do, we can’t go wrong.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: One of the [[interesting]] points about [[vajrayana]] is that it does not need to be nursed. It just happens that once you have developed the fullest level of [[compassion]] as an accomplished [[mahayanist]], you find yourself being a [[vajrayanist]]. That’s the general pattern that applies. There’s no particular [[motivation]] as such. The only thing is a [[sense]] of [[transcendental]] fascination with the [[universe]] and the play of its [[energy]], its [[emotions]], and so on. Everything is such a magnificent display of the [[mandala]] pattern, and you can’t keep yourself from [[looking at]] it.
  
Student: I have a question about inspiration or motivation. It seems that in the hinayana, the motivation is suffering. In mahayana at some point this is transformed into compassion, so that one continues because one has a sense of working, not for oneself, but for all beings. But, going beyond that, I don’t understand the motivation or inspiration for vajrayana. Why would one go further?
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[[Student]]: If [[mahayana]] is “gone-beyond” [[wisdom]], the [[wisdom]] of the [[paramitas]], then would going beyond that, beyond the [[paramitas]], be [[vajrayana]]?
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: You could say that, yes.
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: One of the interesting points about vajrayana is that it does not need to be nursed. It just happens that once you have developed the fullest level of compassion as an accomplished mahayanist, you find yourself being a vajrayanist. That’s the general pattern that applies. There’s no particular motivation as such. The only thing is a sense of transcendental fascination with the universe and the play of its energy, its emotions, and so on. Everything is such a magnificent display of the mandala pattern, and you can’t keep yourself from looking at it.
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S: So in some [[sense]], it’s the natural conclusion of the [[mahayana]].
 
 
Student: If mahayana is “gone-beyond” wisdom, the wisdom of the paramitas, then would going beyond that, beyond the paramitas, be vajrayana?
 
Trungpa Rinpoche: You could say that, yes.
 
 
 
S: So in some sense, it’s the natural conclusion of the mahayana.
 
  
 
TR: You could say that too, yes.
 
TR: You could say that too, yes.
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TR: Anything you say.
 
TR: Anything you say.
  
Student: Rinpoche, where is the spirituality in tantra? It feels like tantra could be very materialistic?
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[[Student]]: [[Rinpoche]], where is the [[spirituality]] in [[tantra]]? It [[feels]] like [[tantra]] could be very {{Wiki|materialistic}}?
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: How is that?
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: How is that?
  
S: One thing is relating to one’s sense perceptions as real. Couldn’t that just be spiritual materialism, perhaps? It just seems to me that after mahayana, the spirituality becomes vague.
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S: One thing is relating to one’s [[sense perceptions]] as real. Couldn’t that just be [[spiritual materialism]], perhaps? It just seems to me that after [[mahayana]], the [[spirituality]] becomes vague.
  
TR: If we just started with tantra, we might end up cultivating Rudra, which is very dangerous. Tantra can only develop by going through the other yanas first, destroying all kinds of spiritual materialism.
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TR: If we just started with [[tantra]], we might end up [[cultivating]] [[Rudra]], which is very [[dangerous]]. [[Tantra]] can only develop by going through the other [[yanas]] first, destroying all kinds of [[spiritual materialism]].
  
It’s very interesting: You can’t say tantra is a spiritual thing exactly, nor is it a worldly thing. That’s why tantra is said to transcend both samsara and nirvana. There is a term in Tibetan that Herbert Guenther translates “coemergent wisdom.” The idea of coemergence here is that you are on neither side;  
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It’s very [[interesting]]: You can’t say [[tantra]] is a [[spiritual]] thing exactly, nor is it a [[worldly]] thing. That’s why [[tantra]] is said to transcend both [[samsara and nirvana]]. There is a term in [[Tibetan]] that {{Wiki|Herbert Guenther}} translates “coemergent [[wisdom]].” The [[idea]] of coemergence here is that you are on neither side;  
  
you are not on the side of ignorance nor on the side of wisdom. Because of that, a lot of hinayanists and mahayanists panicked about tantra—because it’s completely unspiritual. On the other hand, they can’t say tantra is worldly, because there is nothing worldly about tantra either—because of the craziness.
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you are not on the side of [[ignorance]] nor on the side of [[wisdom]]. Because of that, a lot of [[hinayanists]] and [[mahayanists]] panicked about tantra—because it’s completely unspiritual. On the other hand, they can’t say [[tantra]] is [[worldly]], because there is nothing [[worldly]] about [[tantra]] either—because of the craziness.
Student: What advice would you give for dealing with somebody who is in vajra hell?
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[[Student]]: What advice would you give for dealing with somebody who is in [[vajra hell]]?
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: Let me go over the idea of vajra hell once again, if I may. Having heard the vajrayana teachings, instead of becoming awakened, you become deaf and dumb to the teachings. The medicine turns into poison. And there’s nothing one can do for such a person. The only thing is to imprison them in a vajra den, which is vajra hell. It’s like you have a prison cell made out of books about the vajrayana all around you. They imprison you. But you might be interested some time or other just in pulling one out, and maybe you might read it. Sheer claustrophobia brings some kind of hope. It is a rather horrific place to be.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: Let me go over the [[idea]] of [[vajra hell]] once again, if I may. Having heard the [[vajrayana teachings]], instead of becoming [[awakened]], you become [[deaf]] and dumb to the teachings. The [[medicine]] turns into [[poison]]. And there’s nothing one can do for such a [[person]]. The only thing is to imprison them in a [[vajra]] den, which is [[vajra hell]]. It’s like you have a {{Wiki|prison}} cell made out of [[books]] about the [[vajrayana]] all around you. They imprison you. But you might be [[interested]] some time or other just in pulling one out, and maybe you might read it. Sheer claustrophobia brings some kind of {{Wiki|hope}}. It is a rather horrific place to be.
  
S: Would an ordinary prison be any kind of comparison to vajra hell?
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S: Would an ordinary {{Wiki|prison}} be any kind of comparison to [[vajra hell]]?
TR: I don’t think so. It’s much more than that. It’s a total experience, like having cancer throughout your whole body. But you can’t even die out of it. You’re fed by the disease.
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TR: I don’t think so. It’s much more than that. It’s a total [[experience]], like having {{Wiki|cancer}} throughout your whole [[body]]. But you can’t even [[die]] out of it. You’re fed by the {{Wiki|disease}}.
Student: Does it have an eternal quality? You said there’s no escape from it.
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[[Student]]: Does it have an eternal [[quality]]? You said there’s no escape from it.
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: Claustrophobia is eternity in this case. There’s no windows and no doors. You can’t even exist, but this threat of nonexistence becomes the food that keeps you alive.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: Claustrophobia is {{Wiki|eternity}} in this case. There’s no windows and no doors. You can’t even [[exist]], but this threat of [[Wikipedia:Existence|nonexistence]] becomes the [[food]] that keeps you alive.
  
S: There’s no possibility of a future way out in terms of a bardo?
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S: There’s no possibility of a {{Wiki|future}} way out in terms of a [[bardo]]?
  
TR: The Tibetan Book of the Dead describes two types of advanced rebirth that can take place. Either you go up to the level of dharmakaya without a bardo experience or else you go down to vajra hell, also without a bardo experience. Because a bardo is some kind of chance or opportunity you have.
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TR: The [[Tibetan Book of the Dead]] describes two types of advanced [[rebirth]] that can take place. Either you go up to the level of [[dharmakaya]] without a [[bardo experience]] or else you go down to [[vajra hell]], also without a [[bardo experience]]. Because a [[bardo]] is some kind of chance or opportunity you have.
Student: Would it be beneficial to try to help somebody in vajra hell?
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[[Student]]: Would it be beneficial to try to help somebody in [[vajra hell]]?
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: Helping doesn’t particularly change the karma of that person.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: Helping doesn’t particularly change the [[karma]] of that [[person]].
  
S: So it’s best to avoid such people?
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S: So it’s best to avoid such [[people]]?
  
 
TR: Best to leave them as they are.
 
TR: Best to leave them as they are.
  
S: But how does that relate to the bodhisattva vow?
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S: But how does that relate to the [[bodhisattva vow]]?
  
TR: In taking the bodhisattva vow to save all sentient beings, you could add “except those who are in vajra hell.” Even bodhisattvas can’t reach the helpless.
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TR: In taking the [[bodhisattva vow]] to save all [[sentient beings]], you could add “except those who are in [[vajra hell]].” Even [[bodhisattvas]] can’t reach the helpless.
  
Student: Can a person in vajra hell ever get out by becoming aware of himself, say, by reading those books that make up his prison?
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[[Student]]: Can a [[person]] in [[vajra hell]] ever get out by becoming {{Wiki|aware}} of himself, say, by reading those [[books]] that make up his {{Wiki|prison}}?
Trungpa Rinpoche: Yes, that’s the only possibility. Through sheer claustrophobia, you might be able to squeeze something out of yourself.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: Yes, that’s the only possibility. Through sheer claustrophobia, you might be able to squeeze something out of yourself.
Student: You said that at the end of this journey, there is the realization that there was never a need to make this journey at all. But at the same time, isn’t the journey absolutely necessary?
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[[Student]]: You said that at the end of this journey, there is the [[realization]] that there was never a need to make this journey at all. But at the same time, isn’t the journey absolutely necessary?
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: It is necessary in order to realize that your journey was futile. It is called a path, but it is not really a path, because you are really neither coming nor going. But still there is an illusion of a journey. That’s why the various levels are called yanas, which means “vehicles.” You think you are moving. But maybe it is the landscape that is moving.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: It is necessary in order to realize that your journey was futile. It is called a [[path]], but it is not really a [[path]], because you are really neither coming nor going. But still there is an [[illusion]] of a journey. That’s why the various levels are called [[yanas]], which means “vehicles.” You think you are moving. But maybe it is the landscape that is moving.
  
Student: Doesn’t the analogy of vehicles also contain the idea that you are being carried by the energy of the path rather than you yourself making any progress?
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[[Student]]: Doesn’t the analogy of vehicles also contain the [[idea]] that you are being carried by the [[energy]] of the [[path]] rather than you yourself making any progress?
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: That is also possible. That depends on how much you are identified with the teachings personally. Once you are identified with the teachings personally, then development is sort of like wine fermenting. It ferments by itself.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: That is also possible. That depends on how much you are identified with the teachings personally. Once you are identified with the teachings personally, then [[development]] is sort of like wine fermenting. It ferments by itself.
  
Student: You used the analogy of an electric fence around a cow pasture. If the cow tries to go beyond the fence, it gets a shock. There’s some kind of painful situation. I take that to mean that once a person is on the path, there is some kind of safeguard that the guru, through his insight, provides.  
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[[Student]]: You used the analogy of an electric fence around a {{Wiki|cow}} pasture. If the {{Wiki|cow}} tries to go beyond the fence, it gets a [[shock]]. There’s some kind of [[painful]] situation. I take that to mean that once a [[person]] is on the [[path]], there is some kind of safeguard that the [[guru]], through his [[insight]], provides.  
  
Then, in order to flip out and go to vajra hell, it is necessary to make some sort of egoistic assertion to the effect that the guru is no longer able to discriminate properly what is right and what is wrong for us. Is that what this vajra hell thing is about? And then you are left to go off on your own?
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Then, in order to flip out and go to [[vajra hell]], it is necessary to make some sort of [[egoistic]] [[assertion]] to the effect that the [[guru]] is no longer able to discriminate properly what is right and what is wrong for us. Is that what this [[vajra hell]] thing is about? And then you are left to go off on your [[own]]?
Trungpa Rinpoche: Are you asking if that kind of a development is the cause of vajra hell?
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: Are you asking if that kind of a [[development]] is the [[cause]] of [[vajra hell]]?
 
S: Yes.
 
S: Yes.
  
TR: I think so. Some sort of alienation takes place between the teacher and the student. There is the story of Rudra, one of the first persons to go to vajra hell. He and a fellow student, a dharma brother, were studying with the same master. They had a disagreement about how to interpret the master’s  
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TR: I think so. Some sort of alienation takes place between the [[teacher]] and the [[student]]. There is the story of [[Rudra]], one of the first persons to go to [[vajra hell]]. He and a fellow [[student]], a [[dharma]] brother, were studying with the same [[master]]. They had a disagreement about how to interpret the [[master’s]]
  
instructions. They were taking opposite extremes in carrying out their practice, and each of them was sure that he was right. They decided to go to the teacher and ask for his comment. When the teacher told Rudra that he was wrong, Rudra became so angry that he drew his sword and killed his teacher on the spot. Then he ended up in vajra hell. It is that kind of alienation.
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instructions. They were taking opposite extremes in carrying out their practice, and each of them was sure that he was right. They decided to go to the [[teacher]] and ask for his comment. When the [[teacher]] told [[Rudra]] that he was wrong, [[Rudra]] became so [[angry]] that he drew his sword and killed his [[teacher]] on the spot. Then he ended up in [[vajra hell]]. It is that kind of alienation.
  
Student: Is going to vajra hell the equivalent of attaining egohood, or are they two different things?
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[[Student]]: Is going to [[vajra hell]] the {{Wiki|equivalent}} of [[attaining]] egohood, or are they two different things?
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: Vajra hell is not quite complete egohood. It’s still part of the journey. But when you come out of vajra hell without any realization, then you attain the real egohood, which is the state of Rudra. You turn yourself into a demon.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: [[Vajra hell]] is not quite complete egohood. It’s still part of the journey. But when you come out of [[vajra hell]] without any [[realization]], then you attain the real egohood, which is the [[state]] of [[Rudra]]. You turn yourself into a {{Wiki|demon}}.
  
S: So you’re not in vajra hell when you attain egohood.
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S: So you’re not in [[vajra hell]] when you attain egohood.
  
TR: No, egohood seems to be quite difficult to attain. As difficult as enlightenment. Doing a really good job on it is very difficult.
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TR: No, egohood seems to be quite difficult to attain. As difficult as [[enlightenment]]. Doing a really good job on it is very difficult.
Student: It seems to me that some act of surrendering is definitely necessary. But is that something you can try to do, or do you just have to wait and let it happen? Is it something you have to stop trying to do?
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[[Student]]: It seems to me that some act of surrendering is definitely necessary. But is that something you can try to do, or do you just have to wait and let it happen? Is it something you have to stop trying to do?
  
Trungpa Rinpoche: The general policy seems to be that you have to surrender artificially to begin with. You have high ideals, some inspiration about what the possibilities might be, but you can’t quite click into those possibilities spontaneously at the beginning. So you have to start by creating artificial openness, by surrendering artificially. This is precisely what taking the refuge vow or the bodhisattva vow is. It is artificial actually—you are not up to it. But the commitment involved begins to have an effect on your state of being, for the very reason that you cannot wipe out your past. That artificial gesture becomes part of the landscape of your life; then something there begins to ferment, begins to work.
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[[Trungpa Rinpoche]]: The general policy seems to be that you have to surrender {{Wiki|artificially}} to begin with. You have high ideals, some inspiration about what the possibilities might be, but you can’t quite click into those possibilities spontaneously at the beginning. So you have to start by creating artificial [[openness]], by surrendering {{Wiki|artificially}}. This is precisely what taking the [[refuge vow]] or the [[bodhisattva vow]] is. It is artificial actually—you are not up to it. But the commitment involved begins to have an effect on your [[state of being]], for the very [[reason]] that you cannot wipe out your {{Wiki|past}}. That artificial gesture becomes part of the landscape of your [[life]]; then something there begins to ferment, begins to work.
  
  

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AS WE SAID AT THE beginning, the journey through the nine yanas is a process of rediscovering oneself. As you move along the path, you have a feeling of particular locations. You are traveling through a dense forest or through heavy snow; you are climbing mountains or crossing fields; you encounter

rainstorms and snowstorms. You have to stop each night to eat and sleep, and so on. All those experiences make up your journey. In a sense we could say that the rainstorms are your rainstorms, the snowstorms are your snowstorms, and the dense forests are your dense forests. It’s your world. As you move through the nine yanas, it is yourself that you are rediscovering—more and more clearly.

At the beginning there is a vague idea that something is not quite right. There is something wrong with oneself. Things are questionable, and one begins to look into the question, to relate with the pain, the chaos and confusion. That is the hinayana level. Then at a certain stage some of the answers that

arise out of the search begin to create further hunger, further curiosity. One’s heart becomes more and more steeped in the teachings. Then the mahayana experience of intense dedication to the path begins to take place. Dedication to the path in this case also means compassion, a loving attitude toward

oneself and others. One begins to find one’s place in the universe, in this world. Being on the bodhisattva path is finding one’s place and one’s sense of dedication in this universe. At that point, the universe is not threatening or irritating anymore. This is true for the very simple reason that one has developed a style for working with the universe; meditation in action has begun to develop.

As you go on then, you rediscover the brand-new world of tantra. An enormous surprise takes place. You recognize the magical aspect of the universe, which means yourself as well as everything else. You rediscover the redness of red, the blueness of blue, the whiteness of white, and so on. You rediscover the meaning of passion and the meaning of aggression, their vividness, their aliveness, and also their transcendental quality. Rediscovering this new world is the vajrayana path.

At that point, not only do you realize the meaning of pain and confusion, and not only do you realize you have a place in the world, but you also develop a sense of dignity. In fact, you are the emperor of the universe, the king of the world. Your sense of dignity is related to the experience that you have an enormous place in this world. In fact, you are the maker of the world.

As the tantric experience develops through the lower tantras to the higher tantras, even the notion of being the emperor of the universe becomes unnecessary. You are the universe. You have no reference point, none at all. Everything is on the level of complete oneness. In higher tantric terms, this is known in Tibetan as kadak. Ka is the first letter of the Tibetan alphabet, dak means pure. So it means “pure right at the beginning,” or you might say

“alpha pure.” Purity in this case has nothing to do with the relative reference point of pure as opposed to impure. Purity here has the sense of being really without comparison to anything, without any relative reference at all. That seems to be the state of development we are working toward. That,

finally, is the level of the maha ati teachings, in which there is no reference point, none whatsoever. Therefore, in that state we find millions of reference points everywhere, which do not conflict with each other. Therefore we become precise and open, very general and very specific at the same time. That is the state of enlightenment, if it can be described at all in words. That’s a sort of finger painting of the enlightenment idea.

The whole journey that we have discussed has its roots in overcoming spiritual materialism to begin with, then developing friendship toward oneself and others, and finally developing vajra pride, or a sense of dignity.1 Those three steps are the general guidelines for the hinayana, mahayana, and vajrayana, or tantra. And those experiences cannot come about without a teacher or master to begin with, on the hinayana level; a spiritual friend who minds one’s business intensely on the bodhisattva or mahayana level; or, on the vajrayana level, a vajra master or vajra guru, who holds one’s life strings in his hand.

There is a story about the abhisheka that the great tantric master Padmasambhava received from Shri Simha, the great sage of maha ati. Shri Simha reduced Padmasambhava to the form of the letter HUM. Then he ate it, he put it in his mouth and swallowed it. And when Padmasambhava came out the other end of Shri Simha, that completed his abhisheka. This is an example of the action of the vajra master. He is more than a teacher alone, more than a spiritual friend. The vajra master eats you up and shits you out, having completely processed you in his vajra body. That is the kind of power we’re talking about. Without such a relationship, without this kind of communication, vajrayana cannot be presented. Without this, one cannot even come near to understanding it. So relationships with the various levels of teacher are definitely requirements for progressing on the path.

Then, of course, there is the practice of meditation, which is another important part of the journey. One must practice meditation on the hinayana level in order to develop the basic sanity of relating to one’s mind as a working basis. The satipatthana methods of mindfulness developed in the Theravada tradition are very powerful and important.2 The methods developed in the Sarvastivadin hinayana tradition that exists in Tibet, Japan, and China are identical.

When I was in India, I discussed meditation techniques for awareness practice with a Burmese master who was the disciple of a very great Burmese meditation teacher. When I told him about the vipashyana meditation technique that we used in Tibet, he shook his head and asked me, “When did you go to Burma?”3 So the methods seem to be identical.

It is necessary to begin at the beginning with the hinayana practice. Without that, we do not develop proper sense perception, so to speak. We have to have good eyesight and good hearing to read and listen to the teachings. And we have to have a good body in order to sit and meditate. Good sense perceptions here mean sense perceptions that are no longer distorted. We can have real understanding, no longer distorted by neurosis. That is absolutely necessary; there’s no other way at all, according to Buddha anyway.

Having that solid rock bed for a foundation, that solid, sane, open, fresh ground, you can begin to build, to put up walls. That corresponds to the mahayana discipline of the six paramitas and friendliness to oneself and others. This gives us a sense of direction about how to act as good citizens,

which is the bodhisattva path. After one has become a good citizen, there is an enormous possibility of becoming a genius. Basic sanity has developed and a proper lifestyle has been established. There are no hassles, no obstacles at all. Then you become a genius, which is the vajrayana level. You become a fantastic artist, musician, sculptor, or poet. You begin to see the workings of the universe in its ultimate, last details. You are such a genius that you see everything completely. That’s the final level.

This genius is described as jnana, wisdom. There are five types of genius, five wisdoms. There is mirrorlike wisdom, which is clarity. There is the wisdom of equality, which is seeing everything at once in a panoramic vision. There is the wisdom of discriminating awareness, which is seeing details on an

ultimately precise level. There is the wisdom of all-accomplishing action, in which speed does not have to be included in one’s working situation, but things fall into your pattern. Then there is the fifth wisdom, the wisdom of dharmadhatu, or all-encompassing space, which develops enormous basic sanity and basic spaciousness in the sense of outer space rather than space that is related to the reference point of any planet. That is the kind of cosmic level of genius that we find in the vajrayana.

I suppose this seminar cannot be any more than a teaser for you. But at least you should know that millions of great people have been produced by this path; and not only have they been produced, but they all say the same thing. They’ve all gone through the same process that is being presented here. And we

are not excluded from the possibility of becoming one of them. According to the Buddha, one out of every four people in the sangha becomes enlightened. What we have done very roughly in this seminar has been to give a complete description of the path from the beginning stages to enlightenment. I hope you

will have a sense of aspiration and feel joyful about what we discussed. The other possibility is that you might feel depressed, because you have heard about so many possibilities and good things, but none of them seem to apply to you. Well, okay, be that way—and use your depression as realization of the truth of suffering. Then you will have accomplished the first step already. Or if you are inspired, then buddha fever, the fever of buddha nature, has already possessed you. So let it be that way. It seems that whatever we do, we can’t go wrong.

Student: I have a question about inspiration or motivation. It seems that in the hinayana, the motivation is suffering. In mahayana at some point this is transformed into compassion, so that one continues because one has a sense of working, not for oneself, but for all beings. But, going beyond that, I don’t understand the motivation or inspiration for vajrayana. Why would one go further?

Trungpa Rinpoche: One of the interesting points about vajrayana is that it does not need to be nursed. It just happens that once you have developed the fullest level of compassion as an accomplished mahayanist, you find yourself being a vajrayanist. That’s the general pattern that applies. There’s no particular motivation as such. The only thing is a sense of transcendental fascination with the universe and the play of its energy, its emotions, and so on. Everything is such a magnificent display of the mandala pattern, and you can’t keep yourself from looking at it.

Student: If mahayana is “gone-beyond” wisdom, the wisdom of the paramitas, then would going beyond that, beyond the paramitas, be vajrayana? Trungpa Rinpoche: You could say that, yes.

S: So in some sense, it’s the natural conclusion of the mahayana.

TR: You could say that too, yes.

S: Thank you.

TR: Anything you say.

Student: Rinpoche, where is the spirituality in tantra? It feels like tantra could be very materialistic?

Trungpa Rinpoche: How is that?

S: One thing is relating to one’s sense perceptions as real. Couldn’t that just be spiritual materialism, perhaps? It just seems to me that after mahayana, the spirituality becomes vague.

TR: If we just started with tantra, we might end up cultivating Rudra, which is very dangerous. Tantra can only develop by going through the other yanas first, destroying all kinds of spiritual materialism.

It’s very interesting: You can’t say tantra is a spiritual thing exactly, nor is it a worldly thing. That’s why tantra is said to transcend both samsara and nirvana. There is a term in Tibetan that Herbert Guenther translates “coemergent wisdom.” The idea of coemergence here is that you are on neither side;

you are not on the side of ignorance nor on the side of wisdom. Because of that, a lot of hinayanists and mahayanists panicked about tantra—because it’s completely unspiritual. On the other hand, they can’t say tantra is worldly, because there is nothing worldly about tantra either—because of the craziness. Student: What advice would you give for dealing with somebody who is in vajra hell?

Trungpa Rinpoche: Let me go over the idea of vajra hell once again, if I may. Having heard the vajrayana teachings, instead of becoming awakened, you become deaf and dumb to the teachings. The medicine turns into poison. And there’s nothing one can do for such a person. The only thing is to imprison them in a vajra den, which is vajra hell. It’s like you have a prison cell made out of books about the vajrayana all around you. They imprison you. But you might be interested some time or other just in pulling one out, and maybe you might read it. Sheer claustrophobia brings some kind of hope. It is a rather horrific place to be.

S: Would an ordinary prison be any kind of comparison to vajra hell? TR: I don’t think so. It’s much more than that. It’s a total experience, like having cancer throughout your whole body. But you can’t even die out of it. You’re fed by the disease. Student: Does it have an eternal quality? You said there’s no escape from it.

Trungpa Rinpoche: Claustrophobia is eternity in this case. There’s no windows and no doors. You can’t even exist, but this threat of nonexistence becomes the food that keeps you alive.

S: There’s no possibility of a future way out in terms of a bardo?

TR: The Tibetan Book of the Dead describes two types of advanced rebirth that can take place. Either you go up to the level of dharmakaya without a bardo experience or else you go down to vajra hell, also without a bardo experience. Because a bardo is some kind of chance or opportunity you have. Student: Would it be beneficial to try to help somebody in vajra hell?

Trungpa Rinpoche: Helping doesn’t particularly change the karma of that person.

S: So it’s best to avoid such people?

TR: Best to leave them as they are.

S: But how does that relate to the bodhisattva vow?

TR: In taking the bodhisattva vow to save all sentient beings, you could add “except those who are in vajra hell.” Even bodhisattvas can’t reach the helpless.

Student: Can a person in vajra hell ever get out by becoming aware of himself, say, by reading those books that make up his prison? Trungpa Rinpoche: Yes, that’s the only possibility. Through sheer claustrophobia, you might be able to squeeze something out of yourself. Student: You said that at the end of this journey, there is the realization that there was never a need to make this journey at all. But at the same time, isn’t the journey absolutely necessary?

Trungpa Rinpoche: It is necessary in order to realize that your journey was futile. It is called a path, but it is not really a path, because you are really neither coming nor going. But still there is an illusion of a journey. That’s why the various levels are called yanas, which means “vehicles.” You think you are moving. But maybe it is the landscape that is moving.

Student: Doesn’t the analogy of vehicles also contain the idea that you are being carried by the energy of the path rather than you yourself making any progress?

Trungpa Rinpoche: That is also possible. That depends on how much you are identified with the teachings personally. Once you are identified with the teachings personally, then development is sort of like wine fermenting. It ferments by itself.

Student: You used the analogy of an electric fence around a cow pasture. If the cow tries to go beyond the fence, it gets a shock. There’s some kind of painful situation. I take that to mean that once a person is on the path, there is some kind of safeguard that the guru, through his insight, provides.

Then, in order to flip out and go to vajra hell, it is necessary to make some sort of egoistic assertion to the effect that the guru is no longer able to discriminate properly what is right and what is wrong for us. Is that what this vajra hell thing is about? And then you are left to go off on your own? Trungpa Rinpoche: Are you asking if that kind of a development is the cause of vajra hell? S: Yes.

TR: I think so. Some sort of alienation takes place between the teacher and the student. There is the story of Rudra, one of the first persons to go to vajra hell. He and a fellow student, a dharma brother, were studying with the same master. They had a disagreement about how to interpret the master’s

instructions. They were taking opposite extremes in carrying out their practice, and each of them was sure that he was right. They decided to go to the teacher and ask for his comment. When the teacher told Rudra that he was wrong, Rudra became so angry that he drew his sword and killed his teacher on the spot. Then he ended up in vajra hell. It is that kind of alienation.

Student: Is going to vajra hell the equivalent of attaining egohood, or are they two different things?

Trungpa Rinpoche: Vajra hell is not quite complete egohood. It’s still part of the journey. But when you come out of vajra hell without any realization, then you attain the real egohood, which is the state of Rudra. You turn yourself into a demon.

S: So you’re not in vajra hell when you attain egohood.

TR: No, egohood seems to be quite difficult to attain. As difficult as enlightenment. Doing a really good job on it is very difficult. Student: It seems to me that some act of surrendering is definitely necessary. But is that something you can try to do, or do you just have to wait and let it happen? Is it something you have to stop trying to do?

Trungpa Rinpoche: The general policy seems to be that you have to surrender artificially to begin with. You have high ideals, some inspiration about what the possibilities might be, but you can’t quite click into those possibilities spontaneously at the beginning. So you have to start by creating artificial openness, by surrendering artificially. This is precisely what taking the refuge vow or the bodhisattva vow is. It is artificial actually—you are not up to it. But the commitment involved begins to have an effect on your state of being, for the very reason that you cannot wipe out your past. That artificial gesture becomes part of the landscape of your life; then something there begins to ferment, begins to work.




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