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  Someone asked me to write something about the [[ten fetters]], so this is what I wrote:
 
  Someone asked me to write something about the [[ten fetters]], so this is what I wrote:
  
In the [[Pali]] [[suttas]], the [[Buddha]] teaches two types of persons destined towards [[stream entry]], and four types or stages of [[aryans]] ([[awakened]] [[beings]]).
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In the [[Pali]] [[suttas]], the [[Buddha]] teaches two types of persons destined towards [[stream entry]], and four types or stages of [[aryans]] ([[awakened beings]]).
  
The two types of persons destined towards [[stream entry]] is 1) a [[faith]] follower, and 2) a [[dhamma-follower]]. ([[Khanda]] [[Sutta]])
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The two types of persons destined towards [[stream entry]] is;
  
What is a [[faith]] follower? A [[faith]] follower is someone who accepts by [[faith]] and conviction, that all [[conditioned]] dharmas/phenomena - that is, the [[five aggregates]], are inconstant, changeable, alterable, [[arising]] and passing, and also are unsatisfactory and ungraspable, and that all [[dharmas]] ([[conditioned]] and [[unconditioned]]) are [[empty]] of a [[self]]. If you have such a [[view]], even by [[faith]], the [[Buddha]] assures that you will never be capable of performing [[non-virtuous]] [[deeds]] that are so serious as to land you in the [[three lower realms]] ([[hell]], [[animal]], [[hungry ghost]]), and furthermore you are assured to attain [[stream-entry]] before you [[die]] in this [[life]].
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1) a [[faith follower]], and  
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2) a [[dhamma-follower]]. ([[Khanda Sutta]])
  
So even if you are not yet [[awakened]] but you want some kind of assurance for your [[liberation]], and you have some [[faith]] in the [[Buddha's teachings]], get [[right view]] (which is the forerunner of the [[noble eightfold path]]). That alone is enough for an assurance for your [[Nirvana]]. And it isn't really difficult - after all, you don't even need to be an expert in the [[Madhyamika]] or the [[Abhidharma]], you just need to understand it and accept it by [[faith]], even that alone serves as an assurance. When you have the [[right view]], your entire [[life]] will naturally be directed or led towards [[realizing]] this [[truth]], there is no turning back.
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What is a [[faith]] follower? A [[faith]] follower is someone who accepts by [[faith]] and conviction, that all [[conditioned]] [[dharmas]]/[[phenomena]] - that is, the [[five aggregates]], are inconstant, changeable, alterable, [[arising]] and passing, and also are unsatisfactory and ungraspable, and that all [[dharmas]] ([[conditioned]] and [[unconditioned]]) are [[empty]] of a [[self]]. If you have
  
And what is a [[Dharma]] follower? A [[Dharma]] follower is someone who goes a step further than the [[faith]] follower, a [[dharma]] follower is someone who after "[[pondering]] with a modicum of [[discernment]]" (that is, after intellectually analyzing and concluding that all [[phenomena]] are such, for example, by following the [[Madhyamika]] or [[Abhidharma]] analysis, or just reading the [[suttas]] or [[sutras]]) and perhaps with a little [[experience]] with [[vipassana]] [[meditation]] (not to the point of [[direct realization]]) has accepted that all the [[conditioned]] [[dharmas]] are [[impermanent]], (as mentioned above), unsatisfactory, and all [[dharmas]] are [[empty of self]]. Again, such a [[person]] is said to be (as similar to the above) someone who has 'entered the orderliness of [[rightness]], entered the plane of [[people]] of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill'. He is incapable of doing misdeeds (as mentioned above) that can land him in the [[three lower realms]], he is incapable of dying before he realizes the fruit of [[stream entry]].
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such a [[view]], even by [[faith]], the [[Buddha]] assures that you will never be capable of performing [[non-virtuous]] [[deeds]] that are so serious as to land you in the [[three lower realms]] ([[hell]], [[animal]], [[hungry ghost]]), and furthermore you are assured to attain [[stream-entry]] before you [[die]] in this [[life]].
  
Now, those two types of [[people]] I have just mentioned above, those are [[people]] who only had an [[intellectual]] [[view]], one is accepted by [[faith]] in the [[Buddha's]] [[dharma]], and one is concluded through [[intellectual]] analysis. Even these [[people]] have the assurance that they will attain [[awakening]] (at least the [[first stage]] of [[awakening]]) before they [[die]]. But those are still not [[awakened]] [[people]]. [[Awakening]] starts at [[stream entry]] ([[sotapanna]]), where you become an [[aryan]], which is then followed by three more stages of [[awakening]]: [[once returner]] ([[sakadagami]]), non returner ([[anagami]]) and [[arahant]] - which connotes the conqueror, the [[saint]], etc.
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So even if you are not yet [[awakened]] but you want some kind of assurance for your [[liberation]], and you have some [[faith]] in the [[Buddha's teachings]], get [[right view]] (which is the forerunner of the [[noble eightfold path]]). That alone is enough for an assurance
  
A [[stream entrant]], having *directly*, *experientially*, [[realized]] that all [[conditioned phenomena]] are [[impermanent]] and unsatisfactory, and are [[empty]] of a [[self]]. Having directly discerned the [[nature]] of [[phenomena]] and gaining the [[dharma eye]] that sees the [[arising]] and [[cessation]] of [[aggregates]], [[realizing]] [[anatta]], the [[stream entrant]] has permanently eliminated the [[view]] of a [[self]]. What this means is really such a [[person]] can no longer conceive, believe in, or hold the notion of, a real, changeless, {{Wiki|independent}} [[self]], agent, observer, doer, controller, of one's [[life]] or [[experiences]] or the [[aggregates]]. One stops conceiving of any [[soul]], [[self]], or even an [[Wikipedia:Absolute (philosophy)|ultimate]] [[Self]] (such as identifying a [[true self]] that is '[[Brahman]]' or '[[Pure Consciousness]]'). A [[stream entrant]] can no longer hold the [[view]] that there is such a self/Self. A [[stream entrant]] sees, realizes, there is only ever the {{Wiki|stream}} of [[aggregates]] with [[no self]] behind (or within) the [[aggregates]]. And he realizes this directly, through [[insight meditation]].
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for your [[Nirvana]]. And it isn't really difficult - after all, you don't even need to be an expert in the [[Madhyamika]] or the [[Abhidharma]], you just need to understand it and accept it by [[faith]], even that alone serves as an assurance. When you have the [[right view]], your entire [[life]] will naturally be directed or led towards [[realizing]] this [[truth]], there is no turning back.
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And what is a [[Dharma]] follower? A [[Dharma]] follower is someone who goes a step further than the [[faith]] follower, a [[dharma]] follower is someone who after "[[pondering]] with a modicum of [[discernment]]" (that is, after intellectually analyzing and concluding that all [[phenomena]] are such, for example, by following the [[Madhyamika]] or [[Abhidharma]] analysis, or just reading the [[suttas]] or
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[[sutras]]) and perhaps with a little [[experience]] with [[vipassana]] [[meditation]] (not to the point of [[direct realization]]) has accepted that all the [[conditioned]] [[dharmas]] are [[impermanent]], (as mentioned above), unsatisfactory, and all [[dharmas]] are [[empty
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of self]]. Again, such a [[person]] is said to be (as similar to the above) someone who has 'entered the orderliness of [[rightness]], entered the plane of [[people]] of [[integrity]], transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill'. He is incapable of doing [[misdeeds]] (as mentioned above) that can land him in the [[three lower realms]], he is incapable of dying before he realizes the fruit of [[stream entry]].
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Now, those two types of [[people]] I have just mentioned above, those are [[people]] who only had an [[intellectual]] [[view]], one is accepted by [[faith]] in the [[Buddha's]] [[dharma]], and one is concluded through [[intellectual]] analysis. Even these [[people]] have the
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assurance that they will attain [[awakening]] (at least the first stage of [[awakening]]) before they [[die]]. But those are still not [[awakened]] [[people]]. [[Awakening]] starts at [[stream entry]] ([[sotapanna]]), where you become an [[aryan]], which is then followed by three more stages of [[awakening]]: [[once returner]] ([[sakadagami]]), non returner ([[anagami]]) and [[arahant]] - which connotes the conqueror, the [[saint]], etc.
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A [[stream entrant]], having *directly*, *experientially*, [[realized]] that all [[conditioned phenomena]] are [[impermanent]] and unsatisfactory, and are [[empty]] of a [[self]]. Having directly discerned the [[nature]] of [[phenomena]] and gaining the [[dharma eye]] that sees the [[arising]] and [[cessation]] of [[aggregates]], [[realizing]] [[anatta]], the [[stream entrant]] has permanently eliminated  
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the [[view]] of a [[self]]. What this means is really such a [[person]] can no longer [[conceive]], believe in, or hold the notion of, a real, changeless, {{Wiki|independent}} [[self]], agent, observer, doer, controller, of one's [[life]] or [[experiences]] or the  
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[[aggregates]]. One stops [[conceiving]] of any [[soul]], [[self]], or even an [[Wikipedia:Absolute (philosophy)|ultimate]] [[Self]] (such as identifying a [[true self]] that is '[[Brahman]]' or '[[Pure Consciousness]]'). A [[stream entrant]] can no longer hold the [[view]] that  
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there is such a self/Self. A [[stream entrant]] sees, realizes, there is only ever the {{Wiki|stream}} of [[aggregates]] with [[no self]] behind (or within) the [[aggregates]]. And he realizes this directly, through [[insight meditation]].
 
From [[Dhammapada]] verse 178:
 
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A [[stream entrant]] ([[sotapanna]]) is assured to never again be [[reborn]] in the [[three lower realms]], to be only [[reborn]] in either the [[human realms]] or the [[deva realm]] ([[heaven]]), and furthermore is assured to attain complete [[Nirvana]] ([[cessation]]) of [[afflictions]] as an [[Arahant]] in no more than 7 more lifetimes. Now a [[stream entrant]] may attain [[arahantship]] in that very [[life]] if he puts some [[effort]] in his practice, but even if he didn't, he can no more exceed 7 more lifetimes in [[samsara]]. A [[stream entrant]] has eliminated the first [[three fetters]]:
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A [[stream entrant]] ([[sotapanna]]) is assured to never again be [[reborn]] in the [[three lower realms]], to be only [[reborn]] in either the [[human realms]] or the [[deva realm]] ([[heaven]]), and furthermore is assured to attain complete [[Nirvana]] ([[cessation]]) of  
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[[afflictions]] as an [[Arahant]] in no more than 7 more lifetimes. Now a [[stream entrant]] may attain [[arahantship]] in that very [[life]] if he puts some [[effort]] in his practice, but even if he didn't, he can no more exceed 7 more lifetimes in [[samsara]]. A [[stream entrant]] has eliminated the first [[three fetters]]:
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1. [[Wikipedia:Identity (social science)|identity]] [[view]] (as explained above)
 
1. [[Wikipedia:Identity (social science)|identity]] [[view]] (as explained above)
2. [[doubt]] (there can be no more [[doubt]] about the [[Buddhadharma]] because you have directly [[realized]] it in your own [[experience]])
 
3. [[ritual]] [[attachment]] (the [[belief]] that reliance on [[rituals]] and rules can somehow save you from [[samsara]] or end your [[suffering]], as by now you would have [[realized]] that only by following the [[noble eightfold path]] which is summarized as the [[path]] of [[insight]] and [[tranquility]], can [[suffering]] truly be ended, there can be no end of [[suffering]] besides through [[wisdom]])
 
  
So once you have directly [[realized]] the [[dharma]], and gained the [[Dharma Eye]], you are a [[stream entrant]] that has permanently ended the above [[three fetters]] and is on an irreversible conveyer belt to [[Nirvana]] - the end of [[samsaric]] [[births]] and [[deaths]], the end of all [[afflictions]] ([[passion]], [[aggression]] and [[delusion]]), the end of all I and mine-making. What is the '{{Wiki|stream}}' that the [[stream enterer]] enters? The [[Buddha]] explained that the {{Wiki|stream}} is the [[noble eightfold path]], so basically such a [[person]], having [[attained]] [[realization]] of the [[right view]] - which is the forerunner of the [[noble eightfold path]], has entered the [[path]] which invariably leads to [[Nirvana]].
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2. [[doubt]] (there can be no more [[doubt]] about the [[Buddhadharma]] because you have directly [[realized]] it in your [[own]] [[experience]])
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3. [[ritual]] [[attachment]] (the [[belief]] that reliance on [[rituals]] and {{Wiki|rules}} can somehow save you from [[samsara]] or end your [[suffering]], as by now you would have [[realized]] that only by following the [[noble eightfold path]] which is summarized as the [[path]] of [[insight]] and [[tranquility]], can [[suffering]] truly be ended, there can be no end of [[suffering]] besides through [[wisdom]])
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So once you have directly [[realized]] the [[dharma]], and gained the [[Dharma Eye]], you are a [[stream entrant]] that has permanently ended the above [[three fetters]] and is on an irreversible conveyer belt to [[Nirvana]] - the end of [[samsaric]] [[births]] and  
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[[deaths]], the end of all [[afflictions]] ([[passion]], [[aggression]] and [[delusion]]), the end of all I and mine-making. What is the '{{Wiki|stream}}' that the [[stream enterer]] enters? The [[Buddha]] explained that the {{Wiki|stream}} is the [[noble eightfold path]], so basically such a [[person]], having [[attained]] [[realization]] of the [[right view]] - which is the forerunner of the [[noble eightfold path]], has entered the [[path]] which invariably leads to [[Nirvana]].
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A [[once returner]] ([[sakadagami]]) is one step further, having attenuated (lessened, weakened significantly) two more [[fetters]]: the [[fetter]] of [[sensual desire]] and the [[fetter]] of [[ill will]]. Well the [[fetter]] of [[sensual desire]] is very easy to understand: [[craving]] for good {{Wiki|sensual}} [[enjoyment]], {{Wiki|sex}}, [[music]], or even good [[food]] and chocolates, etc. Anything that has to do with [[desiring]] nice [[experience]] of the [[senses]], that comes under [[sensual desire]].
 
A [[once returner]] ([[sakadagami]]) is one step further, having attenuated (lessened, weakened significantly) two more [[fetters]]: the [[fetter]] of [[sensual desire]] and the [[fetter]] of [[ill will]]. Well the [[fetter]] of [[sensual desire]] is very easy to understand: [[craving]] for good {{Wiki|sensual}} [[enjoyment]], {{Wiki|sex}}, [[music]], or even good [[food]] and chocolates, etc. Anything that has to do with [[desiring]] nice [[experience]] of the [[senses]], that comes under [[sensual desire]].
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The [[fetter]] of [[ill will]], well, it just means {{Wiki|hostility}}, [[hatred]], [[violence]], [[thoughts]] of harming others, etc. All these are [[ill will]]. A [[once returner]] has significantly attenuated, though not necessarily removed completely, these two [[fetters]]. And a [[once returner]] is assured to only be [[reborn]] in either the [[human]] or the [[deva realm]] for one more [[life]] at most before [[attaining]] complete [[nirvana]].
 
The [[fetter]] of [[ill will]], well, it just means {{Wiki|hostility}}, [[hatred]], [[violence]], [[thoughts]] of harming others, etc. All these are [[ill will]]. A [[once returner]] has significantly attenuated, though not necessarily removed completely, these two [[fetters]]. And a [[once returner]] is assured to only be [[reborn]] in either the [[human]] or the [[deva realm]] for one more [[life]] at most before [[attaining]] complete [[nirvana]].
  
The non returner is a further step, having completely eliminated the [[fetter]] of [[sensual desire]] and [[fetter]] of [[ill will]], instead of merely 'attenuating' them. Such a being, an [[anagami]], cannot have [[thoughts]] of [[anger]], cannot have {{Wiki|sexual}} [[lust]], and do not engage in {{Wiki|sex}}. Yeah - that is what the [[Buddha]] [[taught]], it is not what I invented (refer to [[Mahavacchagota Sutta]] - it clearly states that {{Wiki|stream}} entrants and [[sakadagami]] partakes in [[sensual pleasures]] but not [[anagami]] and [[arahants]]). So if someone continues to [[crave]] {{Wiki|sex}}, and engage in {{Wiki|sexual}} [[activities]], and claims to be [[anagami]], I have good [[reason]] to [[doubt]] that, because it simply does not tally with the [[Buddha's]] [[definition]] of what [[anagami]] is. It may be that others have different [[ideas]] of what [[anagami]] means from the [[Buddha]], but after all the four stages are defined by [[Buddha]] so we should follow his definitions when discussing it in the context of [[dharma]] as [[taught]] by him. Otherwise we simply won't understand what he is saying, what he had in [[mind]].
 
  
Then again some may say, oh, actually I am an [[anagami]], I so transcend these [[earthly desires]] but for some [[reason]] I am still having an active {{Wiki|sex}} [[life]]. Again, I seriously would [[doubt]] such claims, because as the [[Buddha]] states, "“[[Bhikkhus]], that one can engage in [[sensual pleasures]] without [[sensual desires]], without [[perceptions]] of [[sensual desire]], without [[thoughts]] of {{Wiki|sensual}} [[desire]]—that is impossible." ([[Alagaddūpama Sutta]]) So in my [[mind]], in accordance with the [[scriptures]], all [[anagamis]] and [[arahants]] are celibates, and furthermore have no [[interest]] in pursuing the [[pleasures]] of the [[senses]] (not only {{Wiki|sex}}). This is what the [[Buddha]] suggested in the [[suttas]], and is also the position of the commentaries.
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The non returner is a further step, having completely eliminated the [[fetter]] of [[sensual desire]] and [[fetter]] of [[ill will]], instead of merely 'attenuating' them. Such a being, an [[anagami]], cannot have [[thoughts]] of [[anger]], cannot have {{Wiki|sexual}} [[lust]], and do not engage in {{Wiki|sex}}. Yeah - that is what the [[Buddha]] [[taught]], it is not what I invented (refer to
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[[Mahavacchagota Sutta]] - it clearly states that {{Wiki|stream}} entrants and [[sakadagami]] partakes in [[sensual pleasures]] but not [[anagami]] and [[arahants]]). So if someone continues to [[crave]] {{Wiki|sex}}, and engage in {{Wiki|sexual}} [[activities]], and claims to be [[anagami]], I have good [[reason]] to [[doubt]] that, because it simply does not tally with the [[Buddha's]] [[definition]] of what
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[[anagami]] is. It may be that others have different [[ideas]] of what [[anagami]] means from the [[Buddha]], but after all the four stages are defined by [[Buddha]] so we should follow his definitions when discussing it in the context of [[dharma]] as [[taught]] by him. Otherwise we simply won't understand what he is saying, what he had in [[mind]].
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Then again some may say, oh, actually I am an [[anagami]], I so transcend these [[earthly desires]] but for some [[reason]] I am still having an active {{Wiki|sex}} [[life]]. Again, I seriously would [[doubt]] such claims, because as the [[Buddha]] states, "“[[Bhikkhus]], that one can engage in [[sensual pleasures]] without [[sensual desires]], without [[perceptions]] of [[sensual desire]], without  
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[[thoughts]] of {{Wiki|sensual}} [[desire]]—that is impossible." ([[Alagaddūpama Sutta]]) So in my [[mind]], in accordance with the [[scriptures]], all [[anagamis]] and [[arahants]] are celibates, and furthermore have no [[interest]] in pursuing the [[pleasures]] of the [[senses]] (not only {{Wiki|sex}}). This is what the [[Buddha]] suggested in the [[suttas]], and is also the position of the commentaries.
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Because an [[anagami]] has completely put an end to the [[fetter]] of [[sensual desire]] and [[ill will]], there is no more [[cause]] for becoming ([[rebirth]]) in the {{Wiki|sensual}} planes - which is all the planes of [[samsara]] up to the 6 {{Wiki|sensual}} [[devalokas]] ([[deva]] means [[celestial being]], [[loka]] means [[world]], i.e. [[heavens]]). Why? Because if you understand the [[four noble truths]] you know, becoming (that is, [[rebirth]]) and the {{Wiki|mass}} of [[suffering]] is driven by [[craving]]. [[Craving]] is the [[cause of suffering]] and [[rebirth]].
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Because an [[anagami]] has completely put an end to the [[fetter]] of [[sensual desire]] and [[ill will]], there is no more [[cause]] for becoming ([[rebirth]]) in the {{Wiki|sensual}} planes - which is all the planes of [[samsara]] up to the 6 {{Wiki|sensual}} [[devalokas]] ([[deva]] means [[celestial being]], [[loka]] means [[world]], i.e. [[heavens]]). Why? Because if you understand the [[four noble truths]] you know, becoming (that is, [[rebirth]]) and the mass of [[suffering]] is driven by [[craving]]. [[Craving]] is the [[cause of suffering]] and [[rebirth]].
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If you have [[craving]] for [[sensuality]], and the [[karmas]] pertaining to [[sensuality]] ripens - you get [[reborn]] in the {{Wiki|sensual}} [[planes of existence]]. If you have [[craving]] and [[attachments]] to the [[form]] dhyanas/jhanas (these are states of [[meditative absorptions]]), then (provided that you have the [[wholesome karma]] and [[meditative]] practice to support that [[desire]])
  
If you have [[craving]] for [[sensuality]], and the [[karmas]] pertaining to [[sensuality]] ripens - you get [[reborn]] in the {{Wiki|sensual}} [[planes of existence]]. If you have [[craving]] and [[attachments]] to the [[form]] dhyanas/jhanas (these are states of [[meditative absorptions]]), then (provided that you have the [[wholesome karma]] and [[meditative]] practice to support that [[desire]]) you get [[reborn]] in the [[form]] [[devalokas]] as a [[Brahma]]. In the [[form realm]] you still have a material [[body]] but no [[sensual desires]], whereas in [[formless realms]] you do not have a material [[body]]. If you have [[craving]] or [[attachments]] to the [[formless]] [[dhyanas]] such as [[infinite space]], [[infinite consciousness]], etc, then you get [[reborn]] in those [[samsaric]] planes. Then, you [[experience]] living in those [[realms]] for [[kalpas]], for millions of years, until eventually your [[karmas]] get exhausted (especially if you are [[reborn]] in the [[formless realms]] it is easy to get into [[lower realms]] since there is no opportunity to make [[merits]]), and then you become [[reborn]] again in the [[lower realms]] and work your way up again. So, [[rebirth]] in these [[devalokas]] without [[wisdom]] is totally insecure, they are not to be sought by [[Buddhists]] seeking for freedom. (It's another thing if you are [[reborn]] there [[as a stream]] entrant, etc, cos eventually you get back to [[dharma]] and the [[path]] and you don't stray into [[samsara]] for long)
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you get [[reborn]] in the [[form]] [[devalokas]] as a [[Brahma]]. In the [[form realm]] you still have a material [[body]] but no [[sensual desires]], whereas in [[formless realms]] you do not have a material [[body]]. If you have [[craving]] or [[attachments]] to the  
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[[formless]] [[dhyanas]] such as [[infinite space]], [[infinite consciousness]], etc, then you get [[reborn]] in those [[samsaric]] planes. Then, you [[experience]] living in those [[realms]] for [[kalpas]], for millions of years, until eventually your [[karmas]] get exhausted  
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(especially if you are [[reborn]] in the [[formless realms]] it is easy to get into [[lower realms]] since there is no opportunity to make [[merits]]), and then you become [[reborn]] again in the [[lower realms]] and work your way up again. So, [[rebirth]] in these [[devalokas]]  
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without [[wisdom]] is totally insecure, they are not to be sought by [[Buddhists]] seeking for freedom. (It's another thing if you are [[reborn]] there [[as a stream]] entrant, etc, cos eventually you get back to [[dharma]] and the [[path]] and you don't stray into [[samsara]] for long)
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So going back to topic, an [[anagami]] does not get [[reborn]] anymore in the {{Wiki|sensual}} planes, then where does he/she get [[reborn]] to? They are [[reborn]] in the [[five Pure Abodes]] ([[suddhavasa]]) of the [[4th jhana]] planes, of which the [[akanistha]] is the
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[[highest]] of them. This is the only [[realm]] where [[Buddha]] has not been [[reborn]] in before (as he stated: having recalled many [[aeons]] of {{Wiki|past}} [[lives]], he has been [[reborn]] in all [[samsaric]] [[realms]], except the [[five pure abodes]]), because once
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you get [[reborn]] in it, you can never come back - that [[realm]] is literally made up of ONLY [[anagamis]] and [[arahants]]: once an [[anagami]] is born there, one will never return from that [[realm]] into another [[samsaric]] [[rebirth]], so basically you just become an
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[[arahant]] there and enter into [[nirvana]]. ([[Mahāsīhanāda Sutta]]: "it is not easy to find a [[realm]] in the round that I have not already [82] passed through in this long journey, except for the [[gods]] of the [[Pure Abodes]]; and had I passed through the round as a [[god]] in the [[Pure Abodes]], I would never have returned to this [[world]].")
  
So going back to topic, an [[anagami]] does not get [[reborn]] anymore in the {{Wiki|sensual}} planes, then where does he/she get [[reborn]] to? They are [[reborn]] in the [[five Pure Abodes]] ([[suddhavasa]]) of the [[4th jhana]] planes, of which the [[akanistha]] is the [[highest]] of them. This is the only [[realm]] where [[Buddha]] has not been [[reborn]] in before (as he stated: having recalled many [[aeons]] of {{Wiki|past}} [[lives]], he has been [[reborn]] in all [[samsaric]] [[realms]], except the [[five pure abodes]]), because once you get [[reborn]] in it, you can never come back - that [[realm]] is literally made up of ONLY [[anagamis]] and [[arahants]]: once an [[anagami]] is born there, one will never return from that [[realm]] into another [[samsaric]] [[rebirth]], so basically you just become an [[arahant]] there and enter into [[nirvana]]. ([[Mahāsīhanāda Sutta]]: "it is not easy to find a [[realm]] in the round that I have not already [82] passed through in this long journey, except for the [[gods]] of the [[Pure Abodes]]; and had I passed through the round as a [[god]] in the [[Pure Abodes]], I would never have returned to this [[world]].")
 
  
 
[[Anagamis]] are assured of only [[rebirth]] in such a high [[devaloka]] simply because an [[anagami]] has cut off [[craving]] from [[sensuality]], yet, there is still the [[fetter]] of [[craving]] for [[form]] and [[formless]] [[jhanas]] (will be explained later), and this supports becoming/rebirth in a [[jhanic]] plane.
 
[[Anagamis]] are assured of only [[rebirth]] in such a high [[devaloka]] simply because an [[anagami]] has cut off [[craving]] from [[sensuality]], yet, there is still the [[fetter]] of [[craving]] for [[form]] and [[formless]] [[jhanas]] (will be explained later), and this supports becoming/rebirth in a [[jhanic]] plane.
  
 
Then we have an [[arahant]]. An [[arahant]] fully removes 5 more [[fetters]] and no longer takes [[birth]] in [[samsara]] after his/her [[parinirvana]]:
 
Then we have an [[arahant]]. An [[arahant]] fully removes 5 more [[fetters]] and no longer takes [[birth]] in [[samsara]] after his/her [[parinirvana]]:
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[[lust]] for material [[existence]], [[lust]] for material [[rebirth]] ([[rūparāgo]])[12]
 
[[lust]] for material [[existence]], [[lust]] for material [[rebirth]] ([[rūparāgo]])[12]
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[[lust]] for {{Wiki|immaterial}} [[existence]], [[lust]] for [[rebirth]] in a [[formless realm]] ([[arūparāgo]])[13]
 
[[lust]] for {{Wiki|immaterial}} [[existence]], [[lust]] for [[rebirth]] in a [[formless realm]] ([[arūparāgo]])[13]
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[[conceit]] ([[māna]])[14][15]
 
[[conceit]] ([[māna]])[14][15]
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[[restlessness]] ([[uddhacca]])[16]
 
[[restlessness]] ([[uddhacca]])[16]
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[[ignorance]] ([[avijjā]])[17]
 
[[ignorance]] ([[avijjā]])[17]
  
Material [[existence]] and {{Wiki|immaterial}} [[existence]] here refers to the [[jhanic]] planes. So how can you have [[craving]] for [[jhanic]] planes? As I mentioned before, the [[meditative absorptions]] of [[jhanas]] are incredibly blissful and [[sublime]]. They are much more blissful than any [[sensual pleasures]] you have ever [[experienced]]. As [[Ajahn Brahmavamso]] said, [[jhanas]] are more blissful than {{Wiki|sex}}. And it is on an entirely different level too.. the [[mental]] [[peace]], [[intense joy]] and [[bliss]], and [[equanimity]], and [[mindfulness]], these are very good, very [[wholesome]] [[mental factors]]. So it is nothing like the coarse [[sensual pleasures]] we get from [[drugs]], [[intoxication]], {{Wiki|sex}}, etc etc which only leads to heedlessness and [[delusion]]. This is why [[jhanas]] is part of the [[noble eightfold path]], the practice of [[right concentration]]. [[Jhanas]] are to be developed. They support the [[development of wisdom]], they support the [[complete liberation]] from [[defilements]], so it is important.
 
  
However these states are like any other [[conditioned phenomena]] marked by transciency, unsatisfactoriness, and are [[not-self]], not-mine. By not perceiving the [[nature]] of all states, they can become [[object]] of [[attachment]] and [[craving]]. That is why some [[people]] who have no [[wisdom]] at all (that is, they are not even {{Wiki|stream}} entrants) may get stuck on practicing [[jhanas]] the wrong way - that is, instead of using it as a support to develop [[wisdom]] they completely get [[attached]] to those states and become what is called "[[jhana]] junkies". If you have proper guidance I don't think you will fall into such a category of [[people]]. These [[jhana]] junkies only know how to sit all day, get into [[meditative]] [[bliss]], and then when they [[die]] the [[cycle of rebirth]] continues, they get [[reborn]] in the higher [[devalokas]] for a long [[time]] but that is about it, eventually they return back to [[lower realms]] (like all [[sentient beings]] do eventually, if they did not encounter [[dharma]]).
 
  
So anyway as I was saying, these material [[existence]] and {{Wiki|immaterial}} [[existence]] are so [[sublime]] and blissful and [[peaceful]], so it is only at the very last stage of the [[path]] to [[personal liberation]] - that is, [[arahantship]], that all [[attachments]] to the [[jhanic]] factors are completely removed, and with it, the [[causes]] for [[rebirth]] in these [[jhanic]] planes too are removed. Although [[stream entrant]] onwards have [[perceived]] directly the [[impermanence]]/[[dukkha]]/[[anatta]] of all [[phenomena]], nonetheless {{Wiki|subtle}} remnants or residue of [[ignorance]] persists that could lead to [[craving]].
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Material [[existence]] and {{Wiki|immaterial}} [[existence]] here refers to the [[jhanic]] planes. So how can you have [[craving]] for [[jhanic]] planes? As I mentioned before, the [[meditative absorptions]] of [[jhanas]] are incredibly [[blissful]] and [[sublime]]. They are much more [[blissful]] than any [[sensual pleasures]] you have ever [[experienced]]. As [[Ajahn Brahmavamso]] said, [[jhanas]] are more [[blissful]]
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than {{Wiki|sex}}. And it is on an entirely different level too.. the [[mental]] [[peace]], [[intense joy]] and [[bliss]], and [[equanimity]], and [[mindfulness]], these are very good, very [[wholesome]] [[mental factors]]. So it is nothing like the coarse [[sensual pleasures]] we get from [[drugs]], [[intoxication]], {{Wiki|sex}}, etc etc which only leads to heedlessness and [[delusion]]. This is why
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[[jhanas]] is part of the [[noble eightfold path]], the practice of [[right concentration]]. [[Jhanas]] are to be developed. They support the [[development of wisdom]], they support the [[complete liberation]] from [[defilements]], so it is important.
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However these states are like any other [[conditioned phenomena]] marked by transciency, {{Wiki|unsatisfactoriness}}, and are [[not-self]], not-mine. By not perceiving the [[nature]] of all states, they can become [[object]] of [[attachment]] and [[craving]]. That is why some [[people]] who have no [[wisdom]] at all (that is, they are not even {{Wiki|stream}} entrants) may get stuck on practicing [[jhanas]] the
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wrong way - that is, instead of using it as a support to develop [[wisdom]] they completely get [[attached]] to those states and become what is called "[[jhana]] junkies". If you have proper guidance I don't think you will fall into such a category of [[people]]. These [[jhana]]
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junkies only know how to sit all day, get into [[meditative]] [[bliss]], and then when they [[die]] the [[cycle of rebirth]] continues, they get [[reborn]] in the higher [[devalokas]] for a long [[time]] but that is about it, eventually they return back to [[lower realms]] (like all [[sentient beings]] do eventually, if they did not encounter [[dharma]]).
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So anyway as I was saying, these material [[existence]] and {{Wiki|immaterial}} [[existence]] are so [[sublime]] and [[blissful]] and [[peaceful]], so it is only at the very last stage of the [[path]] to [[personal liberation]] - that is, [[arahantship]], that all  
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[[attachments]] to the [[jhanic]] factors are completely removed, and with it, the [[causes]] for [[rebirth]] in these [[jhanic]] planes too are removed. Although [[stream entrant]] onwards have [[perceived]] directly the [[impermanence]]/[[dukkha]]/[[anatta]] of all [[phenomena]], nonetheless {{Wiki|subtle}} remnants or residue of [[ignorance]] persists that could lead to [[craving]].
  
  
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Many [[people]] translate the [[fetter]] of [[conceit]] as '[[pride]]', however, the [[fetter]] of [[conceit]] is not just in the [[sense]] of being 'proud'. I mean, [[pride]] etc is definitely a [[fetter]]. But also some [[people]] can be very [[humble]], yet it does not mean they have overcome their 'I Am [[conceit]]'.
 
Many [[people]] translate the [[fetter]] of [[conceit]] as '[[pride]]', however, the [[fetter]] of [[conceit]] is not just in the [[sense]] of being 'proud'. I mean, [[pride]] etc is definitely a [[fetter]]. But also some [[people]] can be very [[humble]], yet it does not mean they have overcome their 'I Am [[conceit]]'.
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The 'I Am [[conceit]]' is more specifically described as a kind of trace, like a stench left over in a jug when the contents of the jug has been poured away. That trace of [[self]] remains after [[realization]] of [[anatta]] and then one has to {{Wiki|liberate}} even that trace itself. That [[liberation]] of trace is [[Arahantship]]. This is clearly described in the [[Khemaka Sutta]].
 
The 'I Am [[conceit]]' is more specifically described as a kind of trace, like a stench left over in a jug when the contents of the jug has been poured away. That trace of [[self]] remains after [[realization]] of [[anatta]] and then one has to {{Wiki|liberate}} even that trace itself. That [[liberation]] of trace is [[Arahantship]]. This is clearly described in the [[Khemaka Sutta]].
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The [[Buddha]] said:
 
The [[Buddha]] said:
Blissful is passionlessness in the [[world]], The [[overcoming]] of [[sensual desires]] (i.e. [[anagami]]); But the abolition of the [[conceit]] "I am" (i.e. [[arahantship]]) — That is truly the [[supreme bliss]].
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[[Blissful]] is passionlessness in the [[world]], The [[overcoming]] of [[sensual desires]] (i.e. [[anagami]]); But the abolition of the [[conceit]] "I am" (i.e. [[arahantship]]) — That is truly the [[supreme bliss]].
  
 
So what is the difference between the '[[view of self]]' and the 'trace of [[self]]'?
 
So what is the difference between the '[[view of self]]' and the 'trace of [[self]]'?
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AEN: Ic
 
AEN: Ic
 
[[Thusness]]: if u do not [[feel]] the '[[body]] construct' and '[[mind]] construct', just the play of [[dharma]], how does the [[sense]] of [[self]] arise?
 
[[Thusness]]: if u do not [[feel]] the '[[body]] construct' and '[[mind]] construct', just the play of [[dharma]], how does the [[sense]] of [[self]] arise?
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AEN: It doesnt
 
AEN: It doesnt
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[[Thusness]]: yeah...
 
[[Thusness]]: yeah...
 
[[Thusness]]: for me, it is just this dependent originated [[activity]]...
 
[[Thusness]]: for me, it is just this dependent originated [[activity]]...
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[[Thusness]]: otherwise, u will not [[feel]] the 'process'
 
[[Thusness]]: otherwise, u will not [[feel]] the 'process'
 
AEN: Ic..
 
AEN: Ic..
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[[Thusness]]: u told me about the mini [[maha]] [[experience]]
 
[[Thusness]]: u told me about the mini [[maha]] [[experience]]
 
[[Thusness]]: so u should not [[feel]] the [[sense]] of [[self]]
 
[[Thusness]]: so u should not [[feel]] the [[sense]] of [[self]]
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[[Thusness]]: so by [[seeing]] there is [[no-self]] in [[anatta]], the [[sense]] of [[self]] should also dwindle
 
[[Thusness]]: so by [[seeing]] there is [[no-self]] in [[anatta]], the [[sense]] of [[self]] should also dwindle
 
AEN: Ic
 
AEN: Ic
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[[Thusness]]: when u practice and there is [[mind]] [[body]] drop
 
[[Thusness]]: when u practice and there is [[mind]] [[body]] drop
 
[[Thusness]]: due to de-construction of [[body]] and [[mind]]
 
[[Thusness]]: due to de-construction of [[body]] and [[mind]]
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[[restlessness]] ([[uddhacca]])[16]
 
[[restlessness]] ([[uddhacca]])[16]
  
[[Restlessness]] is defined in "the [[excitement]] of [[mind]] which is disturbance, [[agitation]] of the [[heart]], turmoil of [[mind]]." ([[Dhammasangani]] 429).
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[[Restlessness]] is defined in "the [[excitement]] of [[mind]] which is {{Wiki|disturbance}}, [[agitation]] of the [[heart]], turmoil of [[mind]]." ([[Dhammasangani]] 429).
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And this is a [[fetter]] that is only removed completely by an [[arahant]]. So it's very normal that you have a restless [[mind]], a [[monkey mind]], a distracted [[mind]]. We all [[experience]] that (well unless you're an [[arahant]]!). First we have a [[thought]] of X, and then from that [[thought]] X it drifts off into Y and Z and an [[endless]] chain of [[thinking]], worries, [[pondering]], etc. An
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analogy I gave is like it's reading the news feed on facebook. You scroll from one to another mindlessly, [[grasping]] to another post before leaving the previous post. We get distracted from [[time]] to [[time]]. In fact if you think you never get distracted, try sitting
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down in [[meditation]], just watch your [[mind]]. Soon you'll realize how distracted you are but only you didn't notice it before. But at the same [[time]] if you sit a little longer, everything starts to [[tranquilize]], [[mind]] and [[body]] tranquilizes and [[bliss]] happens.
  
And this is a [[fetter]] that is only removed completely by an [[arahant]]. So it's very normal that you have a restless [[mind]], a [[monkey mind]], a distracted [[mind]]. We all [[experience]] that (well unless you're an [[arahant]]!). First we have a [[thought]] of X, and then from that [[thought]] X it drifts off into Y and Z and an [[endless]] chain of [[thinking]], worries, [[pondering]], etc. An analogy I gave is like it's reading the news feed on facebook. You scroll from one to another mindlessly, [[grasping]] to another post before leaving the previous post. We get distracted from [[time]] to [[time]]. In fact if you think you never get distracted, try sitting down in [[meditation]], just watch your [[mind]]. Soon you'll realize how distracted you are but only you didn't notice it before. But at the same [[time]] if you sit a little longer, everything starts to tranquilize, [[mind]] and [[body]] tranquilizes and [[bliss]] happens.
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Anyway. So, an [[arahant]] is someone who does not have [[restlessness]]. What this means, in my [[understanding]], is that [[arahant]] does not have [[discursive thinking]] at all. They don't have a wandering [[mind]]. They don't daydream. They don't get distracted. They never get agitated. The only [[thoughts]] they have are [[wholesome]], beneficial, necessary [[thoughts]]. They don't get excited and from
  
Anyway. So, an [[arahant]] is someone who does not have [[restlessness]]. What this means, in my [[understanding]], is that [[arahant]] does not have [[discursive thinking]] at all. They don't have a wandering [[mind]]. They don't daydream. They don't get distracted. They never get agitated. The only [[thoughts]] they have are [[wholesome]], beneficial, necessary [[thoughts]]. They don't get excited and from [[thought]] X jump into Y, Z, etc, an [[endless]] chain of agitated [[thinking]]. And they aren't just in a state of [[equanimity]] in [[meditation]] - that is easy, but they are in [[equanimity]] in every moment in their [[life]], through its ups and downs. They are not [[happy]] when they gained something nice, they are not [[unhappy]] when they lost something, in fact, [[sense]] of ownership never comes up in their [[mind]] at all.
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[[thought]] X jump into Y, Z, etc, an [[endless]] chain of agitated [[thinking]]. And they aren't just in a [[state]] of [[equanimity]] in [[meditation]] - that is easy, but they are in [[equanimity]] in every [[moment]] in their [[life]], through its ups and downs. They are not [[happy]] when they gained something nice, they are not [[unhappy]] when they lost something, in fact, [[sense]] of ownership never comes up in their [[mind]] at all.
  
The [[Buddha]] says that [[arahants]] are completely [[fearless]]. [[Arahants]] are free from {{Wiki|hope}} and {{Wiki|fear}}, they are free from [[craving]] for [[life]] and {{Wiki|fear}} of [[death]], they are free from any kinds of [[craving]] or {{Wiki|fear}} at all. In the [[Dhammapada]], a newly [[attained]] [[arahant]] climbs down from a very high pole to meet the [[Buddha]] without the slightest {{Wiki|fear}}, he does not {{Wiki|fear}} falling to his [[death]]. They have no worries at all. And they have no [[sorrow]] even at the [[death]] of their closed ones. Their [[minds]] are not affected at all in [[life]], they do not [[experience]] [[agitation]], their [[minds]] are like a [[calm]], [[serene]] [[lake]]. So that's [[arahant's]] [[mind]] - complete [[peace]], non-disturbed, [[equanimity]]... [[arahants]] are the "cooled ones" according to [[Buddha]].
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The [[Buddha]] says that [[arahants]] are completely [[fearless]]. [[Arahants]] are free from {{Wiki|hope}} and {{Wiki|fear}}, they are free from [[craving]] for [[life]] and {{Wiki|fear}} of [[death]], they are free from any kinds of [[craving]] or {{Wiki|fear}} at all. In the [[Dhammapada]], a newly [[attained]] [[arahant]] climbs down from a very high pole to meet the [[Buddha]] without the slightest  
  
Honestly, [[restlessness]] (discursive [[thoughts]]) is the strongest [[fetter]] I have. I don't have much [[sensual craving]] or [[ill will]] or [[anger]] or any of those [[fetters]] mentioned, but my [[mind]] wanders, gets distracted, I believe like all or most of us here. Sometimes it settles down in [[meditation]] but in daily [[life]] there are so many things to think about... until [[mindfulness]] returns, and then there is complete intimacy with the [[appearance]] at hand and at the same [[time]] everything self-releases, [[thoughts]] gets released.
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{{Wiki|fear}}, he does not {{Wiki|fear}} falling to his [[death]]. They have no worries at all. And they have no [[sorrow]] even at the [[death]] of their closed ones. Their [[minds]] are not affected at all in [[life]], they do not [[experience]] [[agitation]], their [[minds]] are like a [[calm]], [[serene]] [[lake]]. So that's [[arahant's]] [[mind]] - complete [[peace]], non-disturbed, [[equanimity]]... [[arahants]] are the "cooled ones" according to [[Buddha]].
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Honestly, [[restlessness]] (discursive [[thoughts]]) is the strongest [[fetter]] I have. I don't have much [[sensual craving]] or [[ill will]] or [[anger]] or any of those [[fetters]] mentioned, but my [[mind]] wanders, gets distracted, I believe like all or most of us here.  
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Sometimes it settles down in [[meditation]] but in daily [[life]] there are so many things to think about... until [[mindfulness]] returns, and then there is complete intimacy with the [[appearance]] at hand and at the same [[time]] everything self-releases, [[thoughts]] gets released.
  
 
Lastly it is the [[fetter]] of [[ignorance]] ([[avijjā]]) that the [[arahant]] overcomes -- the [[Buddha]] defines [[ignorance]] as [[ignorance]] of the [[four noble truths]], but the [[four noble truths]] is linked all the [[truths]] that we discover - [[impermanence]], unsatisfactoriness/suffering, [[not-self]], [[dependent origination]], etc. So if you truly, fully, comprehend the [[four noble truths]], you also overcome the [[perception]] of [[permanence]], satisfactoriness, [[self]], {{Wiki|independence}}, inherency, and so forth.
 
Lastly it is the [[fetter]] of [[ignorance]] ([[avijjā]]) that the [[arahant]] overcomes -- the [[Buddha]] defines [[ignorance]] as [[ignorance]] of the [[four noble truths]], but the [[four noble truths]] is linked all the [[truths]] that we discover - [[impermanence]], unsatisfactoriness/suffering, [[not-self]], [[dependent origination]], etc. So if you truly, fully, comprehend the [[four noble truths]], you also overcome the [[perception]] of [[permanence]], satisfactoriness, [[self]], {{Wiki|independence}}, inherency, and so forth.
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If you see the [[four noble truths]], you clearly see [[dependent origination]] in [[action]]. You clearly {{Wiki|perceive}} that [[suffering]] - the eight kinds of [[suffering]] - is rooted in [[craving]], in [[grasping]], in [[delusion]], and you clearly {{Wiki|perceive}} that there is [[path]] which leads to the end of that [[craving]], that [[grasping]], that [[delusion]].
 
If you see the [[four noble truths]], you clearly see [[dependent origination]] in [[action]]. You clearly {{Wiki|perceive}} that [[suffering]] - the eight kinds of [[suffering]] - is rooted in [[craving]], in [[grasping]], in [[delusion]], and you clearly {{Wiki|perceive}} that there is [[path]] which leads to the end of that [[craving]], that [[grasping]], that [[delusion]].
  
So you see [[dependent origination]] Directly, not just as an {{Wiki|inference}}, but you see [[ignorance]] in [[action]] - what does [[ignorance]] means? What does [[karmic]] propensities mean? Many of us think of [[karmic]] propensities and [[ignorance]] as being some kind of ghostly, hidden, almost [[mystical]] force hiding somewhere and affecting our [[lives]] from a hidden '{{Wiki|subconscious}}' component of [[consciousness]] stored away from [[sight]]. That is having an [[inherent]] [[view]], a [[self-view]] of [[ignorance]] and [[karmic]] propensities. We need to directly See that [[cause of suffering]] and that [[suffering]] as the total {{Wiki|exertion}} of our [[experience]] in seamless dependencies.
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So you see [[dependent origination]] Directly, not just as an {{Wiki|inference}}, but you see [[ignorance]] in [[action]] - what does [[ignorance]] means? What does [[karmic]] propensities mean? Many of us think of [[karmic]] propensities and [[ignorance]] as being some  
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kind of ghostly, hidden, almost [[mystical]] force hiding somewhere and affecting our [[lives]] from a hidden '{{Wiki|subconscious}}' component of [[consciousness]] stored away from [[sight]]. That is having an [[inherent]] [[view]], a [[self-view]] of [[ignorance]] and [[karmic]] propensities. We need to directly See that [[cause of suffering]] and that [[suffering]] as the total {{Wiki|exertion}} of our [[experience]] in seamless dependencies.
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As [[Thusness]] say, having the [[view]] of afflicted [[dependent origination]] is having the [[enlightened]] [[view]]. The [[enlightened]] [[view]] does not [[conceive]] of a [[sufferer]], [[suffering]] does not come from a [[self]]. How does it arise? Based on [[conditions]] - [[delusion]], [[grasping]], [[craving]].
  
As [[Thusness]] say, having the [[view]] of afflicted [[dependent origination]] is having the [[enlightened]] [[view]]. The [[enlightened]] [[view]] does not conceive of a [[sufferer]], [[suffering]] does not come from a [[self]]. How does it arise? Based on [[conditions]] - [[delusion]], [[grasping]], [[craving]].
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The {{Wiki|totality}} of our [[experience]] is being shaped [[moment]] by [[moment]] by our [[delusions]] (either that, or by [[wisdom]]), by our [[sense]] of [[self]], and with it all kinds of [[grasping]] and [[craving]] and [[afflictions]]. {{Wiki|Taste}} it, see it for
  
The {{Wiki|totality}} of our [[experience]] is being shaped moment by moment by our [[delusions]] (either that, or by [[wisdom]]), by our [[sense]] of [[self]], and with it all kinds of [[grasping]] and [[craving]] and [[afflictions]]. {{Wiki|Taste}} it, see it for yourself, what is it like? See that [[grasping]] in [[action]], see that becoming in [[action]], see the [[birth]] of [[suffering]]. Only when you see [[suffering]] and the [[cause of suffering]], only then can you realize the [[path]] and the end of that [[suffering]]. (Otherwise you become some [[neo-advaitins]] that say the [[path]] is not necessary)
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yourself, what is it like? See that [[grasping]] in [[action]], see that becoming in [[action]], see the [[birth]] of [[suffering]]. Only when you see [[suffering]] and the [[cause of suffering]], only then can you realize the [[path]] and the end of that [[suffering]]. (Otherwise you become some [[neo-advaitins]] that say the [[path]] is not necessary)
  
And the moment you {{Wiki|perceive}} the [[nature]] of that - that every [[phenomena]] is dependently [[arising]], is [[empty]] of a [[self]], is [[empty of inherent existence]], at that moment, by [[realizing]] the [[four noble truths]] you realize [[dependent origination]] and you realize [[emptiness]]. And with that, you attain [[liberation]]. That is how [[overcoming]] the [[ignorance]] of the [[four noble truths]] is so crucial. From a [[view]] that a [[Subject]] interacts with an [[Object]], to a [[view]] of seamless process of dependencies without self/Self, and furthermore clarity into the workings of [[delusion]], [[grasping]], [[craving]] I-making and [[suffering]].
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And the [[moment]] you {{Wiki|perceive}} the [[nature]] of that - that every [[phenomena]] is dependently [[arising]], is [[empty]] of a [[self]], is [[empty of inherent existence]], at that [[moment]], by [[realizing]] the [[four noble truths]] you realize [[dependent origination]] and you realize [[emptiness]]. And with that, you attain [[liberation]]. That is how [[overcoming]] the [[ignorance]] of the [[four noble truths]] is so crucial. From a [[view]] that a [[Subject]] interacts with an [[Object]], to a [[view]] of seamless process of dependencies without self/Self, and furthermore clarity into the workings of [[delusion]], [[grasping]], [[craving]] I-making and [[suffering]].
  
  

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 Someone asked me to write something about the ten fetters, so this is what I wrote:

In the Pali suttas, the Buddha teaches two types of persons destined towards stream entry, and four types or stages of aryans (awakened beings).

The two types of persons destined towards stream entry is;

1) a faith follower, and
2) a dhamma-follower. (Khanda Sutta)

What is a faith follower? A faith follower is someone who accepts by faith and conviction, that all conditioned dharmas/phenomena - that is, the five aggregates, are inconstant, changeable, alterable, arising and passing, and also are unsatisfactory and ungraspable, and that all dharmas (conditioned and unconditioned) are empty of a self. If you have

such a view, even by faith, the Buddha assures that you will never be capable of performing non-virtuous deeds that are so serious as to land you in the three lower realms (hell, animal, hungry ghost), and furthermore you are assured to attain stream-entry before you die in this life.

So even if you are not yet awakened but you want some kind of assurance for your liberation, and you have some faith in the Buddha's teachings, get right view (which is the forerunner of the noble eightfold path). That alone is enough for an assurance

for your Nirvana. And it isn't really difficult - after all, you don't even need to be an expert in the Madhyamika or the Abhidharma, you just need to understand it and accept it by faith, even that alone serves as an assurance. When you have the right view, your entire life will naturally be directed or led towards realizing this truth, there is no turning back.


And what is a Dharma follower? A Dharma follower is someone who goes a step further than the faith follower, a dharma follower is someone who after "pondering with a modicum of discernment" (that is, after intellectually analyzing and concluding that all phenomena are such, for example, by following the Madhyamika or Abhidharma analysis, or just reading the suttas or

sutras) and perhaps with a little experience with vipassana meditation (not to the point of direct realization) has accepted that all the conditioned dharmas are impermanent, (as mentioned above), unsatisfactory, and all dharmas are [[empty

of self]]. Again, such a person is said to be (as similar to the above) someone who has 'entered the orderliness of rightness, entered the plane of people of integrity, transcended the plane of the run-of-the-mill'. He is incapable of doing misdeeds (as mentioned above) that can land him in the three lower realms, he is incapable of dying before he realizes the fruit of stream entry.



Now, those two types of people I have just mentioned above, those are people who only had an intellectual view, one is accepted by faith in the Buddha's dharma, and one is concluded through intellectual analysis. Even these people have the

assurance that they will attain awakening (at least the first stage of awakening) before they die. But those are still not awakened people. Awakening starts at stream entry (sotapanna), where you become an aryan, which is then followed by three more stages of awakening: once returner (sakadagami), non returner (anagami) and arahant - which connotes the conqueror, the saint, etc.


A stream entrant, having *directly*, *experientially*, realized that all conditioned phenomena are impermanent and unsatisfactory, and are empty of a self. Having directly discerned the nature of phenomena and gaining the dharma eye that sees the arising and cessation of aggregates, realizing anatta, the stream entrant has permanently eliminated

the view of a self. What this means is really such a person can no longer conceive, believe in, or hold the notion of, a real, changeless, independent self, agent, observer, doer, controller, of one's life or experiences or the

aggregates. One stops conceiving of any soul, self, or even an ultimate Self (such as identifying a true self that is 'Brahman' or 'Pure Consciousness'). A stream entrant can no longer hold the view that

there is such a self/Self. A stream entrant sees, realizes, there is only ever the stream of aggregates with no self behind (or within) the aggregates. And he realizes this directly, through insight meditation.
From Dhammapada verse 178:


    Sole dominion over the earth,
    going to heaven,
    lordship over all worlds:
    the fruit of stream-entry
    excels them.


A stream entrant (sotapanna) is assured to never again be reborn in the three lower realms, to be only reborn in either the human realms or the deva realm (heaven), and furthermore is assured to attain complete Nirvana (cessation) of

afflictions as an Arahant in no more than 7 more lifetimes. Now a stream entrant may attain arahantship in that very life if he puts some effort in his practice, but even if he didn't, he can no more exceed 7 more lifetimes in samsara. A stream entrant has eliminated the first three fetters:


1. identity view (as explained above)

2. doubt (there can be no more doubt about the Buddhadharma because you have directly realized it in your own experience)

3. ritual attachment (the belief that reliance on rituals and rules can somehow save you from samsara or end your suffering, as by now you would have realized that only by following the noble eightfold path which is summarized as the path of insight and tranquility, can suffering truly be ended, there can be no end of suffering besides through wisdom)


So once you have directly realized the dharma, and gained the Dharma Eye, you are a stream entrant that has permanently ended the above three fetters and is on an irreversible conveyer belt to Nirvana - the end of samsaric births and

deaths, the end of all afflictions (passion, aggression and delusion), the end of all I and mine-making. What is the 'stream' that the stream enterer enters? The Buddha explained that the stream is the noble eightfold path, so basically such a person, having attained realization of the right view - which is the forerunner of the noble eightfold path, has entered the path which invariably leads to Nirvana.


A once returner (sakadagami) is one step further, having attenuated (lessened, weakened significantly) two more fetters: the fetter of sensual desire and the fetter of ill will. Well the fetter of sensual desire is very easy to understand: craving for good sensual enjoyment, sex, music, or even good food and chocolates, etc. Anything that has to do with desiring nice experience of the senses, that comes under sensual desire.


The fetter of ill will, well, it just means hostility, hatred, violence, thoughts of harming others, etc. All these are ill will. A once returner has significantly attenuated, though not necessarily removed completely, these two fetters. And a once returner is assured to only be reborn in either the human or the deva realm for one more life at most before attaining complete nirvana.


The non returner is a further step, having completely eliminated the fetter of sensual desire and fetter of ill will, instead of merely 'attenuating' them. Such a being, an anagami, cannot have thoughts of anger, cannot have sexual lust, and do not engage in sex. Yeah - that is what the Buddha taught, it is not what I invented (refer to

Mahavacchagota Sutta - it clearly states that stream entrants and sakadagami partakes in sensual pleasures but not anagami and arahants). So if someone continues to crave sex, and engage in sexual activities, and claims to be anagami, I have good reason to doubt that, because it simply does not tally with the Buddha's definition of what

anagami is. It may be that others have different ideas of what anagami means from the Buddha, but after all the four stages are defined by Buddha so we should follow his definitions when discussing it in the context of dharma as taught by him. Otherwise we simply won't understand what he is saying, what he had in mind.



Then again some may say, oh, actually I am an anagami, I so transcend these earthly desires but for some reason I am still having an active sex life. Again, I seriously would doubt such claims, because as the Buddha states, "“Bhikkhus, that one can engage in sensual pleasures without sensual desires, without perceptions of sensual desire, without

thoughts of sensual desire—that is impossible." (Alagaddūpama Sutta) So in my mind, in accordance with the scriptures, all anagamis and arahants are celibates, and furthermore have no interest in pursuing the pleasures of the senses (not only sex). This is what the Buddha suggested in the suttas, and is also the position of the commentaries.

Because an anagami has completely put an end to the fetter of sensual desire and ill will, there is no more cause for becoming (rebirth) in the sensual planes - which is all the planes of samsara up to the 6 sensual devalokas (deva means celestial being, loka means world, i.e. heavens). Why? Because if you understand the four noble truths you know, becoming (that is, rebirth) and the mass of suffering is driven by craving. Craving is the cause of suffering and rebirth.


If you have craving for sensuality, and the karmas pertaining to sensuality ripens - you get reborn in the sensual planes of existence. If you have craving and attachments to the form dhyanas/jhanas (these are states of meditative absorptions), then (provided that you have the wholesome karma and meditative practice to support that desire)

you get reborn in the form devalokas as a Brahma. In the form realm you still have a material body but no sensual desires, whereas in formless realms you do not have a material body. If you have craving or attachments to the

formless dhyanas such as infinite space, infinite consciousness, etc, then you get reborn in those samsaric planes. Then, you experience living in those realms for kalpas, for millions of years, until eventually your karmas get exhausted

(especially if you are reborn in the formless realms it is easy to get into lower realms since there is no opportunity to make merits), and then you become reborn again in the lower realms and work your way up again. So, rebirth in these devalokas

without wisdom is totally insecure, they are not to be sought by Buddhists seeking for freedom. (It's another thing if you are reborn there as a stream entrant, etc, cos eventually you get back to dharma and the path and you don't stray into samsara for long)



So going back to topic, an anagami does not get reborn anymore in the sensual planes, then where does he/she get reborn to? They are reborn in the five Pure Abodes (suddhavasa) of the 4th jhana planes, of which the akanistha is the

highest of them. This is the only realm where Buddha has not been reborn in before (as he stated: having recalled many aeons of past lives, he has been reborn in all samsaric realms, except the five pure abodes), because once

you get reborn in it, you can never come back - that realm is literally made up of ONLY anagamis and arahants: once an anagami is born there, one will never return from that realm into another samsaric rebirth, so basically you just become an

arahant there and enter into nirvana. (Mahāsīhanāda Sutta: "it is not easy to find a realm in the round that I have not already [82] passed through in this long journey, except for the gods of the Pure Abodes; and had I passed through the round as a god in the Pure Abodes, I would never have returned to this world.")


Anagamis are assured of only rebirth in such a high devaloka simply because an anagami has cut off craving from sensuality, yet, there is still the fetter of craving for form and formless jhanas (will be explained later), and this supports becoming/rebirth in a jhanic plane.

Then we have an arahant. An arahant fully removes 5 more fetters and no longer takes birth in samsara after his/her parinirvana:


lust for material existence, lust for material rebirth (rūparāgo)[12]

lust for immaterial existence, lust for rebirth in a formless realm (arūparāgo)[13]

conceit (māna)[14][15]

restlessness (uddhacca)[16]

ignorance (avijjā)[17]



Material existence and immaterial existence here refers to the jhanic planes. So how can you have craving for jhanic planes? As I mentioned before, the meditative absorptions of jhanas are incredibly blissful and sublime. They are much more blissful than any sensual pleasures you have ever experienced. As Ajahn Brahmavamso said, jhanas are more blissful

than sex. And it is on an entirely different level too.. the mental peace, intense joy and bliss, and equanimity, and mindfulness, these are very good, very wholesome mental factors. So it is nothing like the coarse sensual pleasures we get from drugs, intoxication, sex, etc etc which only leads to heedlessness and delusion. This is why

jhanas is part of the noble eightfold path, the practice of right concentration. Jhanas are to be developed. They support the development of wisdom, they support the complete liberation from defilements, so it is important.


However these states are like any other conditioned phenomena marked by transciency, unsatisfactoriness, and are not-self, not-mine. By not perceiving the nature of all states, they can become object of attachment and craving. That is why some people who have no wisdom at all (that is, they are not even stream entrants) may get stuck on practicing jhanas the

wrong way - that is, instead of using it as a support to develop wisdom they completely get attached to those states and become what is called "jhana junkies". If you have proper guidance I don't think you will fall into such a category of people. These jhana

junkies only know how to sit all day, get into meditative bliss, and then when they die the cycle of rebirth continues, they get reborn in the higher devalokas for a long time but that is about it, eventually they return back to lower realms (like all sentient beings do eventually, if they did not encounter dharma).


So anyway as I was saying, these material existence and immaterial existence are so sublime and blissful and peaceful, so it is only at the very last stage of the path to personal liberation - that is, arahantship, that all

attachments to the jhanic factors are completely removed, and with it, the causes for rebirth in these jhanic planes too are removed. Although stream entrant onwards have perceived directly the impermanence/dukkha/anatta of all phenomena, nonetheless subtle remnants or residue of ignorance persists that could lead to craving.


Regarding conceit, well, I've already spoken a little about it recently so I'll just cut and paste it here:

Many people translate the fetter of conceit as 'pride', however, the fetter of conceit is not just in the sense of being 'proud'. I mean, pride etc is definitely a fetter. But also some people can be very humble, yet it does not mean they have overcome their 'I Am conceit'.


The 'I Am conceit' is more specifically described as a kind of trace, like a stench left over in a jug when the contents of the jug has been poured away. That trace of self remains after realization of anatta and then one has to liberate even that trace itself. That liberation of trace is Arahantship. This is clearly described in the Khemaka Sutta.


The Buddha said:


Blissful is passionlessness in the world, The overcoming of sensual desires (i.e. anagami); But the abolition of the conceit "I am" (i.e. arahantship) — That is truly the supreme bliss.

So what is the difference between the 'view of self' and the 'trace of self'?

As Thusness wrote to me in 2011:

Session Start: 29 March 2011

Thusness: yeah of course
AEN: Ic
Thusness: if u do not feel the 'body construct' and 'mind construct', just the play of dharma, how does the sense of self arise?


AEN: It doesnt


Thusness: yeah...
Thusness: for me, it is just this dependent originated activity...
Thusness: primordially pure and luminous
Thusness: sense of self does not arise
Thusness: i do not see 'body' or 'mind'
Thusness: for there is no agent
Thusness: for u by now u should be clear on this
Thusness: experientially
Thusness: otherwise, u will not feel the 'process'
AEN: Ic..


Thusness: u told me about the mini maha experience
Thusness: so u should not feel the sense of self
AEN: Yea
Thusness: logically when the agent is gone, the primary cause for these sense of self should also be gone
Thusness: however due to the deeper dispositions, it continues to linger
Thusness: when u engage in this modern world, it re-enfore the identity
Thusness: so by seeing there is no-self in anatta, the sense of self should also dwindle
AEN: Ic


Thusness: when u practice and there is mind body drop
Thusness: due to de-construction of body and mind
Thusness: there is only purity of sensations
Thusness: it is just a lingering trace
Thusness: how does the sense of self arise?
Thusness: and that means it is simply a dispositions
Thusness: and during daily activity, there is re-enforcing of this trace
Thusness: when there is no agent, this trace will be seen as it is
Thusness: in non-dual and one mind, this is not just a trace
Thusness: u may have trace of identity
Thusness: but 'Self' (comments: self-view) is not a trace
Thusness: it is as if it is truly 'there' and all there is
Thusness: but anatta is different
Thusness: for everything is like a trace
Thusness: and self is not any more special that an arising sound
Thusness: no diff
Thusness: can u understand the difference?


Now the 9th fetter which an arahant has eliminated:

restlessness (uddhacca)[16]

Restlessness is defined in "the excitement of mind which is disturbance, agitation of the heart, turmoil of mind." (Dhammasangani 429).



And this is a fetter that is only removed completely by an arahant. So it's very normal that you have a restless mind, a monkey mind, a distracted mind. We all experience that (well unless you're an arahant!). First we have a thought of X, and then from that thought X it drifts off into Y and Z and an endless chain of thinking, worries, pondering, etc. An

analogy I gave is like it's reading the news feed on facebook. You scroll from one to another mindlessly, grasping to another post before leaving the previous post. We get distracted from time to time. In fact if you think you never get distracted, try sitting

down in meditation, just watch your mind. Soon you'll realize how distracted you are but only you didn't notice it before. But at the same time if you sit a little longer, everything starts to tranquilize, mind and body tranquilizes and bliss happens.

Anyway. So, an arahant is someone who does not have restlessness. What this means, in my understanding, is that arahant does not have discursive thinking at all. They don't have a wandering mind. They don't daydream. They don't get distracted. They never get agitated. The only thoughts they have are wholesome, beneficial, necessary thoughts. They don't get excited and from

thought X jump into Y, Z, etc, an endless chain of agitated thinking. And they aren't just in a state of equanimity in meditation - that is easy, but they are in equanimity in every moment in their life, through its ups and downs. They are not happy when they gained something nice, they are not unhappy when they lost something, in fact, sense of ownership never comes up in their mind at all.

The Buddha says that arahants are completely fearless. Arahants are free from hope and fear, they are free from craving for life and fear of death, they are free from any kinds of craving or fear at all. In the Dhammapada, a newly attained arahant climbs down from a very high pole to meet the Buddha without the slightest

fear, he does not fear falling to his death. They have no worries at all. And they have no sorrow even at the death of their closed ones. Their minds are not affected at all in life, they do not experience agitation, their minds are like a calm, serene lake. So that's arahant's mind - complete peace, non-disturbed, equanimity... arahants are the "cooled ones" according to Buddha.

Honestly, restlessness (discursive thoughts) is the strongest fetter I have. I don't have much sensual craving or ill will or anger or any of those fetters mentioned, but my mind wanders, gets distracted, I believe like all or most of us here.

Sometimes it settles down in meditation but in daily life there are so many things to think about... until mindfulness returns, and then there is complete intimacy with the appearance at hand and at the same time everything self-releases, thoughts gets released.

Lastly it is the fetter of ignorance (avijjā) that the arahant overcomes -- the Buddha defines ignorance as ignorance of the four noble truths, but the four noble truths is linked all the truths that we discover - impermanence, unsatisfactoriness/suffering, not-self, dependent origination, etc. So if you truly, fully, comprehend the four noble truths, you also overcome the perception of permanence, satisfactoriness, self, independence, inherency, and so forth.

If you see the four noble truths, you clearly see dependent origination in action. You clearly perceive that suffering - the eight kinds of suffering - is rooted in craving, in grasping, in delusion, and you clearly perceive that there is path which leads to the end of that craving, that grasping, that delusion.

So you see dependent origination Directly, not just as an inference, but you see ignorance in action - what does ignorance means? What does karmic propensities mean? Many of us think of karmic propensities and ignorance as being some

kind of ghostly, hidden, almost mystical force hiding somewhere and affecting our lives from a hidden 'subconscious' component of consciousness stored away from sight. That is having an inherent view, a self-view of ignorance and karmic propensities. We need to directly See that cause of suffering and that suffering as the total exertion of our experience in seamless dependencies.


As Thusness say, having the view of afflicted dependent origination is having the enlightened view. The enlightened view does not conceive of a sufferer, suffering does not come from a self. How does it arise? Based on conditions - delusion, grasping, craving.

The totality of our experience is being shaped moment by moment by our delusions (either that, or by wisdom), by our sense of self, and with it all kinds of grasping and craving and afflictions. Taste it, see it for

yourself, what is it like? See that grasping in action, see that becoming in action, see the birth of suffering. Only when you see suffering and the cause of suffering, only then can you realize the path and the end of that suffering. (Otherwise you become some neo-advaitins that say the path is not necessary)

And the moment you perceive the nature of that - that every phenomena is dependently arising, is empty of a self, is empty of inherent existence, at that moment, by realizing the four noble truths you realize dependent origination and you realize emptiness. And with that, you attain liberation. That is how overcoming the ignorance of the four noble truths is so crucial. From a view that a Subject interacts with an Object, to a view of seamless process of dependencies without self/Self, and furthermore clarity into the workings of delusion, grasping, craving I-making and suffering.


Conclusion:

The early Buddhism's model of awakening as taught by Buddha are a series of (four) stages in progressively terminating the three poisons of passion/craving/lust/desire, aggression/anger/ill-ill, and delusion/ignorance, which are the causes of all suffering and samsaric births. This results in release from mental afflictions and any further re-births/becoming in the cycle of samsara. That is the end of suffering, also known as Nirvana. How is Nirvana attained? By perfecting the three trainings of ethical conduct/morality (Sīla), meditative composure (Samādhi) and discernment/wisdom (Paññā).

Source

awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com.au